Inclined Bed Therapy on AwakeRadio U.S interview by Steve Allen With IBT Guests David, Terri, Donald and Avalina
- Andrew K Fletcher
In this video you will learn how to take back control of your health. You will hear first hand accounts from people who have been using Inclined Bed Therapy (IBT) for many years and from others who have recently started.
You will also hear first hand accounts from David, Terri, Donald and Avalina who join the conversation with their fascinating results from sleeping on an angled bed. They also discuss how people who have listened to them now also enjoy incredible results and all of this costs you nothing! So ask yourself two questions: 1. Who decided the entire human race should sleep on a flat bed and what were their qualifiactions and assumptions for doing so? 2. What do you have to lose by trying Inclined Bed Therapy and conducting your own in home study?
IBT has been used by people since the times of the Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt. Yes the beds they pulled from the Pharaohs tombs were raised at the head end and were the Elephant in the Room as gold and jewels and money blinded the robbers to their significance in healing medical conditions currently thought to be irreversible.
If you suffer from migraines or sinusitis you will learn that this is in fact a very powerful method of avoiding them.
If you have varicose veins, then this is a must watch video.
Psoriasis, spinal cord injury, Parkinson's disease, cerebral palsy, bladder incontinence, bed wetting, insomnia, fidgety legs and limbs / Ekbom syndrome oedema, sleep disorders, night time paralysis, multiple sclerosis, ME, CFS, diabetes, varicose veins, migrain headaches, poor eye sight, pain, bowel incontinence, acid reflux, gerd, balance problems, lethargy, poor circulation, metabolic disorders, immune deficiency, you really need to watch this video!. I do hope you enjoy it, and if you find it useful, post a comment, hit the like tab and share the link on social media and send it to friends and family to help spread the word.
This has taken 20 years of my life helping people in need and I do not charge anything for this advice.
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0:00:01.040,0:00:06.580 Welcome to Granada's Workshop on the Tuesday 9th of the 6th 20-15. 0:00:06.580,0:00:13.820 The stark skeleton is back and I have a great guest this week for you guys, certainly its 0:00:13.820,0:00:20.110 something that excited me when I learned about it and my guest is an all-round good feller 0:00:20.110,0:00:25.820 to be honest and I would like to welcome Andrew Fletcher, Welcome to Awake Radio. 0:00:25.820,0:00:31.969 Thank you very much Steven. I hope your listeners are going to enjoy this. 0:00:31.969,0:00:41.290 My first question would be, who designed your bed and what qualifications di he have or 0:00:41.290,0:00:46.070 she have to state the human race should sleep on a flat bed? 0:00:46.070,0:00:52.270 Actually, the literature states, the medical literature that is, that sleeping on a flat 0:00:52.270,0:00:56.120 bed is probably the worse thing you can do and yet we all do it? 0:00:56.120,0:01:01.340 It's really bizarre Yes, well it's something I never really questioned 0:01:01.340,0:01:07.890 until such times as I had come across yourself. How did you come across it and what made you 0:01:07.890,0:01:15.450 aware of this situation? Well it's a strange one really, I bought a 0:01:15.450,0:01:20.280 GCSE Biology book because I was struggling to try and understand how fluid was transported 0:01:20.280,0:01:25.170 in trees, how sap moved from the roots up to the leaves. 0:01:25.170,0:01:33.040 I bought the book from a car boot sale and within 20 minutes I had solved a problem that 0:01:33.040,0:01:40.440 has puzzled scientists since science began. The problem was that they asked the wrong 0:01:40.440,0:01:46.310 question. You see the question is how do trees raise water from the roots up to the leaves. 0:01:46.310,0:01:51.950 Well that suggests a one way flow, but if we look at a tree we have got a downward flow 0:01:51.950,0:01:58.060 and a return flow, so the downward flow is in the phloem laden with heavy sap and the 0:01:58.060,0:02:03.850 return flow is in the xylem with dilute sap because the xylem picks up water from the 0:02:03.850,0:02:08.200 soil. Now the theory I came up with was that the 0:02:08.200,0:02:14.510 evaporation from the leaves of a tree which concentrates the sap by per cent, because 0:02:14.510,0:02:18.939 it evaporates 98 per cent of all of the water that enters through the roots, through the 0:02:18.939,0:02:23.769 leaves, so that must concentrate the sap at the top of the tree. 0:02:23.769,0:02:30.629 Now the leaves produce sugars by photosynthesis and the sap also contains nutrients from the 0:02:30.629,0:02:35.090 soil, so that massive loss of moisture must make the sap denser at the top of the tree 0:02:35.090,0:02:41.090 than at the bottom of the tree. So gravity dictates that the denser sap will 0:02:41.090,0:02:46.489 migrate towards a sink. Now that sink can be a fruit or it can be down through the trunk 0:02:46.489,0:02:50.029 of the tree out through the branches and down to the roots. 0:02:50.029,0:02:56.549 Now as the sap percolates down through the tree, the tree takes up the excess or spent 0:02:56.549,0:03:01.469 salts and sugars in it's cycle of growth, storing them away in it's ever increasing 0:03:01.469,0:03:09.180 girth of it's trunk and the branches, so any sap laden with salts and sugars that reaches 0:03:09.180,0:03:14.579 the roots is diluted by incoming water from the soil. 0:03:14.579,0:03:19.260 So that makes the upward flow always less dense than the downward flow. 0:03:19.260,0:03:23.389 The correct question should have been: How do trees circulate sap? 0:03:23.389,0:03:28.129 If they had asked that question then the answer would have been blatantly obvious. You know, 0:03:28.129,0:03:34.939 the downward flow generates a return flow, because as the sap flows down one side, it 0:03:34.939,0:03:40.209 generates molecular drag. In other words each molecule that moves down is dragging on the 0:03:40.209,0:03:45.609 molecule behind it and that molecule behind it can reach right the way back down through 0:03:45.609,0:03:52.489 the xylem flow and out into the ground water, so in effect that down-flow is not only dragging 0:03:52.489,0:03:57.760 water up to the top of a giant Californian Redwood, it is actually pulling the water 0:03:57.760,0:04:03.120 in towards the roots. Now to test this, I set up a simple experiment 0:04:03.120,0:04:09.749 in Brixham using 6 millimetre bore tubing, the kind that is used in the pub trade, clear 0:04:09.749,0:04:17.110 nylon had a giant loop of water filled tubing that was strung up a cliff to 24 meters up 0:04:17.110,0:04:22.470 a cliff The science books says it can only go to ten 0:04:22.470,0:04:26.170 meters. Well I didn't take any notice of that and 0:04:26.170,0:04:31.700 neither do the trees. So what I showed in front of forestry commission 0:04:31.700,0:04:38.180 scientists and journalists back in I think it was 1997 or could have been earlier than 0:04:38.180,0:04:41.420 97. What I showed there was that a tiny pinch 0:04:41.420,0:04:46.810 of salt in one side of this tube which is filled with boiled water, so we have taken 0:04:46.810,0:04:51.850 out any gas bubbles, with both open ends pushed into two bottles of water both equal level 0:04:51.850,0:04:57.410 with the ground and to the centre of the tube before it's hoisted up the cliff, I have added 0:04:57.410,0:05:03.370 10 millilitres of coloured salt solution with food dye and as the tube rises, the salt solution 0:05:03.370,0:05:08.290 starts flowing down one side and one bottle starts to overflow and the fluid level in 0:05:08.290,0:05:16.430 the bottle on the other side goes down, which means that tiny 10 millilitres of salt solution 0:05:16.430,0:05:22.870 is lifting thousands of times its own volume, vertically without a pump to 24 metres. 0:05:22.870,0:05:28.160 There is a video on Youtube of the actual experiment that day. 0:05:28.160,0:05:36.010 When I did that, I actually have repeated the experiment many times, I realised we are 0:05:36.010,0:05:41.040 dealing with a none living physical force that must apply wherever evaporation takes 0:05:41.040,0:05:48.640 place at the upper end of a column that contains liquids which are heavy denser substance, 0:05:48.640,0:05:54.750 now that includes blood in the body, the lymphatic system and the cerebrospinal fluid circulation. 0:05:54.750,0:06:00.490 So the evaporation from our respiratory tract is doing exactly the same as the trees, so 0:06:00.490,0:06:07.130 we are boiling away water. Now that means the blood that supplies the lungs as it enters 0:06:07.130,0:06:13.060 is less dense but as it exits the lungs it becomes more dense because we are evaporating 0:06:13.060,0:06:17.980 water away from this liquid, so it then passes through the heart and then the heart injects 0:06:17.980,0:06:22.380 it back into the main artery and if we are the right way around according to gravity, 0:06:22.380,0:06:33.480 I.E. standing up or lying on an inclined bed. Gravity can assist the circulation around 0:06:33.480,0:06:36.900 the body. When I nailed this, I thought this is really 0:06:36.900,0:06:42.250 interesting and one of the first things we tested it with was varicose veins. 0:06:42.250,0:06:48.610 And oedema and within four weeks a varicose vein had gone flat , but not one varicose 0:06:48.610,0:06:55.750 vein another vein on a nurse that had also become interested in the theory a nurse called 0:06:55.750,0:07:00.600 Stephanie Ness who tilted her bed and she reported in 4 weeks that her varicose vein 0:07:00.600,0:07:04.290 had gone flat. Now that told me that we had nailed something 0:07:04.290,0:07:09.780 really important because the medical profession will say to ease your varicose veins you need 0:07:09.780,0:07:16.680 to raise your legs up. We have done the opposite and it has had a lasting effect. 0:07:16.680,0:07:22.230 Hmm, well you know oedema is a thing that I am familiar with and that is what I am trying 0:07:22.230,0:07:28.330 to use the inclined bed therapy for at the moment for my feet are obviously swelling 0:07:28.330,0:07:34.389 up, but effectively what you are talking about the sap in the tree is it's a circulatory 0:07:34.389,0:07:37.490 problem that we are improving if you Yes 0:07:37.490,0:07:46.990 like on an inclined bed Another angle if you will excuse the pun was 0:07:46.990,0:07:53.210 to see if anybody had done anything with an angled bed or an inclined bed before and it 0:07:53.210,0:08:00.720 turns out that in Ancient Constantinople the hospitals there were praised as being the 0:08:00.720,0:08:07.810 most successful having the most successful track record with treating people with illnesses 0:08:07.810,0:08:16.290 had their beds inclined according to a painting which I had found and when I went back further, 0:08:16.290,0:08:25.700 in the ancient Egyptian Tombs, the grave robbers went in and pulled out all the gold and the 0:08:25.700,0:08:28.470 jewels. They missed the elephant in the room and the 0:08:28.470,0:08:33.809 elephant in this room was that the beds were inclined and to this date, no one has asked 0:08:33.809,0:08:38.579 why these very clever people were sleeping on inclined beds? 0:08:38.579,0:08:45.230 I went as far to ask a curator at the Boston Museum to measure one of these beds and it 0:08:45.230,0:08:50.800 was raised exactly six inches higher at the head end. Exactly the same angle I had arrived 0:08:50.800,0:08:57.100 at by observing the way fluids flowed around a closed loop of tubing, again with a pinch 0:08:57.100,0:09:05.059 of salt solution at the pillow end. If I raised the bed up to 4 inches, what I got was a two 0:09:05.059,0:09:11.129 tier flow in one side of the closed loop of tubing. In other words, the coloured salt 0:09:11.129,0:09:15.449 solution was flowing down on the bottom of the one side of the tube and the return flow 0:09:15.449,0:09:19.639 was above it so I had two directional flow in one side of the closed loop of tube. 0:09:19.639,0:09:26.480 When I started to get over 5 inches then the whole loop of tubing was circulating, so that 0:09:26.480,0:09:32.709 represented the down flow as the arteries and the return flow as the venous return and 0:09:32.709,0:09:37.339 that was how I arrived at the angle. But they got there before me. 0:09:37.339,0:09:43.870 And in fact if we go back to the sweating sickness in the Tudor period, what they found 0:09:43.870,0:09:51.259 was this illness which is still a mystery today had killed millions of people and what 0:09:51.259,0:09:55.939 they found was that if they placed two guards by the side of the bed , presumably to prevent 0:09:55.939,0:10:00.360 the person from laying down, because generally if they did lay down they were dead by the 0:10:00.360,0:10:10.439 morning. They survived and a tempest raged across the country for a few days , a storm. 0:10:10.439,0:10:18.649 This is written up in the annals of history and it swept the unusually humid atmosphere 0:10:18.649,0:10:25.860 away, it swept it away. Now if you sweep out high humidity from the atmosphere, what you 0:10:25.860,0:10:31.680 are doing is you are enabling the lungs to clear fluid from the lungs. If you are breathing 0:10:31.680,0:10:36.420 in as much water as you are breathing out, that has an impact on your circulation and 0:10:36.420,0:10:41.970 then if you sleep on a flat bed that's a double impact on your circulation. 0:10:41.970,0:10:47.930 Hmmm You mentioned that before about the humidity and that makes a whole lot of sense 0:10:47.930,0:10:57.129 Yes and the strange thing is in hospitals they actually nebulise water into people lungs. 0:10:57.129,0:11:02.720 Now we should have a certain amount of water but maybe this should be done intermittently 0:11:02.720,0:11:09.480 so as not to stagnate the circulation in the lungs. 0:11:09.480,0:11:13.999 In my case when I have been in hospital, three times a day I may be getting fluids put into 0:11:13.999,0:11:23.550 my lungs and so that would seem to be an awful lot to what your saying there yes. 0:11:23.550,0:11:29.879 Well doctors and nurses are recommending raising the foot end of the bed to relieve oedema 0:11:29.879,0:11:40.350 and varicose veins and this does provide some temporary relief because it shifts the fluid 0:11:40.350,0:11:46.249 problem back into the upper torso but when you stand up again in the morning the oedema 0:11:46.249,0:11:51.850 comes back. Now with the sloping bed, the inclined bed, this alters the pressure in 0:11:51.850,0:11:57.429 the veins, because the oedema in the legs is caused because the pressure in the veins 0:11:57.429,0:12:05.839 is greater than the surrounding tissue, so the fluid flows out from from the veins into 0:12:05.839,0:12:11.649 the surrounding tissue causing the swelling, With the sloping bed as we have discussed 0:12:11.649,0:12:17.089 it pulls the varicose veins in so what we have done is applied tension to the blood 0:12:17.089,0:12:22.360 in the veins and we have also lowered the pressure in the blood in the veins which causes 0:12:22.360,0:12:28.110 the fluid to migrate from the legs back into the circulatory system, through the circulatory 0:12:28.110,0:12:32.639 system and out into the kidneys where it is filtered and out into the bladder where it 0:12:32.639,0:12:37.249 is excreted in the urine And that's the other part of the circulatory 0:12:37.249,0:12:43.709 system in the body because as the blood flows down in the arteries, the concentrated blood 0:12:43.709,0:12:49.279 with the salts it flows through the kidneys, the kidneys filter out theses salts and excrete 0:12:49.279,0:12:54.769 them in the urine. That's why hot urine will sink to the bottom of the toilet, so the blood 0:12:54.769,0:12:59.920 passing through the kidneys is less dense. Meaning that the blood in the venous return 0:12:59.920,0:13:04.300 is always less dense than the down-flow in the arteries. 0:13:04.300,0:13:09.559 Hmm you say the venous return, would you like to explain that a little bit more? 0:13:09.559,0:13:14.860 It's the flow of blood back through the veins to the heart. 0:13:14.860,0:13:21.379 Right I see So that's the oxygen deficient blood returning 0:13:21.379,0:13:31.309 back to the heart. Yeah very interesting Yeah You have obviously 0:13:31.309,0:13:39.740 had some success with different people with legs that have become enlarged and so on. 0:13:39.740,0:13:43.619 Do you think you could tell us of some of those? 0:13:43.619,0:13:47.420 Yes. The first problem I had was looking at ladies 0:13:47.420,0:13:51.100 legs for all the wrong reasons Ha ha ha 0:13:51.100,0:13:56.249 I was looking for varicose veins and oedema, which is a strange thing to be doing. 0:13:56.249,0:14:05.279 But my Mother had varicose veins and oedema and i managed to convince her that I wasn't 0:14:05.279,0:14:09.949 insane. She eventually succumbed and tilted the bed and after four weeks she phoned me 0:14:09.949,0:14:15.199 up and said what's this bed all about? I said, look Mom I have explained it to you 0:14:15.199,0:14:20.939 She said well run it by me one more time I said you have got something to tell me about 0:14:20.939,0:14:25.179 your veins, she said Oh yes the veins have improved, she said, but I'm standing here 0:14:25.179,0:14:28.279 twiddling my toes and moving my ankle on my left foot. 0:14:28.279,0:14:34.110 I said what do you want a round of applause? She said I haven't done that for ten years. 0:14:34.110,0:14:39.939 ha ha ha ha right, very good That was interesting because that indicated 0:14:39.939,0:14:49.879 that not only was the blood circulation affected but this was also the circulation in the nervous 0:14:49.879,0:14:52.790 system. Because she had obviously got some nerve damage having lost control of the limb 0:14:52.790,0:14:59.660 and the sensitivity. That then led on to other research into neurological 0:14:59.660,0:15:07.389 conditions. But back to your oedema. Yes we have had quite a few people reporting in that 0:15:07.389,0:15:13.589 edema is reduced significantly and the most spectacular was with a guy with Parkinson's 0:15:13.589,0:15:19.279 disease over in Torquay. He had severely swollen body, best described 0:15:19.279,0:15:27.699 as he was like a water balloon. We tilted his bed for the Parkinson's and 0:15:27.699,0:15:32.720 within a few days his wife was on the phone saying I can't stop my husband from urinating. 0:15:32.720,0:15:42.879 It was like a continuous stream of urine and by the end of the week his clothes fell on 0:15:42.879,0:15:45.720 the floor because he had lost so much weight from fluid. 0:15:45.720,0:15:50.360 I can imagine But the other one was an interesting one, 0:15:50.360,0:15:56.639 I had a meeting with a vascular surgeon called Peter Lewis and another vascular surgeon called 0:15:56.639,0:16:03.399 Celeste, and this was at Lewis's home in Torquay and I showed him my experiments on the kitchen 0:16:03.399,0:16:08.499 table and his reaction was; "My god he said, I thought pure science was dead in the water 0:16:08.499,0:16:14.610 and yet here it is on the Kitchen table. He said this just makes so much sense. 0:16:14.610,0:16:18.389 What do you think would happen if someone was running, what would happen to the pressures 0:16:18.389,0:16:24.220 in the veins and the arteries? I said I would expect to see an increase in 0:16:24.220,0:16:27.600 arterial pressure and an equal decrease in venous pressure. 0:16:27.600,0:16:32.079 He said; that's exactly what happens and nobody in Medical school understands why. 0:16:32.079,0:16:36.399 Right And then he said I have a patient in Torquay 0:16:36.399,0:16:44.819 hospital who has ascitis of the liver, which is swelling of the abdominal cavity with fluid 0:16:44.819,0:16:47.850 and he described her as being like a giant water balloon. 0:16:47.850,0:16:52.299 He said we have tried diuretics and nothing worked. He said I'm just going to leave the 0:16:52.299,0:16:57.839 meeting for a second and I will go to Torquay and it was just around the corner from where 0:16:57.839,0:17:02.389 Peter lived, and I will just go and check on this lady. 0:17:02.389,0:17:06.570 And when he come back he said; it's exactly as you have said. The fluid loss I have seen 0:17:06.570,0:17:16.120 is unprecedented. No diuretics worked and raising the legs didn't work, but tilting 0:17:16.120,0:17:22.900 the whole patient has shown remarkable improvements. So he was convinced, lots of promises have 0:17:22.900,0:17:28.730 been made that the medical profession will help me here with studies. And help me to 0:17:28.730,0:17:35.990 get over these hurdles, you know nothing ever happens, you just have to do what you can 0:17:35.990,0:17:41.870 with the limited resources you have at hand. Yeah I mean that's effectively they can't 0:17:41.870,0:17:44.920 make money out of it I think is why they are not helping you. 0:17:44.920,0:17:48.760 Yes that's the problem Steve, you have hit the nail on the head. If there was a lot of 0:17:48.760,0:17:53.180 money involved, people could make a lot of money and you would get the help of vascular 0:17:53.180,0:17:59.260 surgeons. Edzard Ernst. I had a meeting with him at 0:17:59.260,0:18:05.240 Exeter Hospital and he was really fascinated by the experiments that I showed him on his 0:18:05.240,0:18:12.370 work top. And he agreed that we should conduct a study into varicose veins and oedema because 0:18:12.370,0:18:16.070 the visual observations would be difficult to disprove. 0:18:16.070,0:18:20.440 So he arranged for me to see a doctor who would give us access to his patients. 0:18:20.440,0:18:25.540 I travelled to Exeter on my own, went to see this guy and as I walked through the door 0:18:25.540,0:18:30.120 he said; Are you mr Fletcher? I said yes. He said, let me make one thing clear. I do 0:18:30.120,0:18:36.130 not want anything to do with you, your theory or any trial do I make myself clear? 0:18:36.130,0:18:44.370 I said perfectly. I walked away. He makes a living from repeat surgery operating 0:18:44.370,0:18:46.590 on varicose veins. Yes 0:18:46.590,0:18:52.520 So why would he want to learn that two blocks of wood under someone's bed could actually 0:18:52.520,0:18:56.650 prevent those veins from getting worse and improve them? 0:18:56.650,0:19:02.160 Yeah, that's the difference between someone that is doing a job and a healer. 0:19:02.160,0:19:03.210 Yeah, Effectively 0:19:03.210,0:19:09.870 I am just in it for the science. You asked me for a little bit about myself. I have an 0:19:09.870,0:19:16.290 engineering background. I was a mechanical engineer like yourself, heavy engineering 0:19:16.290,0:19:20.040 as well as an apprentice boiler maker in the Midlands. 0:19:20.040,0:19:29.540 Erm, I have quite a varied background, lateral thinking is my main stumbling block, because 0:19:29.540,0:19:38.170 if I see a problem I try and solve it. And it becomes quite an occupation, 20 years 0:19:38.170,0:19:42.060 later I am still trying to solve problems for people. 0:19:42.060,0:19:46.820 Well I mean from what I was talking to you Andrew and it has been thoroughly fascinating 0:19:46.820,0:19:51.120 every time I have spoken to you, you distil your own oils, your solar power and things 0:19:51.120,0:19:56.820 like that, I know that's a little bit off subject but it certainly shows you are a man 0:19:56.820,0:20:01.730 of many talents that's for sure. aye. 0:20:01.730,0:20:05.970 My worst nightmare is having to call someone out to do something for me. 0:20:05.970,0:20:11.390 Ha ha ha ha Well with Granada s workshop, I try and promote 0:20:11.390,0:20:18.190 people to be self dependent and your exactly what that is, your being self dependent. I 0:20:18.190,0:20:25.060 find that fascinating really. So the question here is how safe is that flat 0:20:25.060,0:20:30.350 bed? It's labelled death bed. That should be a 0:20:30.350,0:20:32.920 big clue really shouldn't it? Yeah yeah 0:20:32.920,0:20:38.390 In fact 3.30 am is the time most people die in their sleep. 0:20:38.390,0:20:44.930 And that's exactly the time that laying on a flat bed causes a 2 degree drop in body 0:20:44.930,0:20:49.110 temperature. Now when we measured our mouth temperature 0:20:49.110,0:20:54.310 exactly the same as they did for the two degree drop in healthy people. 0:20:54.310,0:20:58.450 What we found was that we didn't get that two degree drop when we were on an inclined 0:20:58.450,0:21:02.270 bed. Our body temperature remained stable. 0:21:02.270,0:21:08.260 Which was fascinating. And if we go back, the Doctors know exactly 0:21:08.260,0:21:15.850 what is going on here. Doctor Richard Asher in 1942, he wrote: 0:21:15.850,0:21:21.240 Look at the patient ling alone in his bed What a pathetic picture he makes 0:21:21.240,0:21:26.660 The blood clotting in his veins The lime draining from his bones 0:21:26.660,0:21:30.850 The scybola stacking up in his colon The flesh rotting from his seat 0:21:30.850,0:21:36.770 The urine leaking from his distended bladder and the spark evaporating from his soul 0:21:36.770,0:21:41.400 Teach us to live that we may dread unnecessary time in bed 0:21:41.400,0:21:49.120 Get people up and we may save patients from an early 0:21:49.120,0:21:53.320 grave. 1942 and yet Hospitals are still assessed 0:21:53.320,0:21:57.420 on how many beds they have? Yeah 0:21:57.420,0:22:01.550 I have some horror stories as well with my own Father 0:22:01.550,0:22:10.190 In a coma in hospital. I had fought tooth and nail to get his bed on an angle. 0:22:10.190,0:22:14.360 They told us he had hours to live, he had pancreatic cancer. 0:22:14.360,0:22:21.610 Which had spread from the gall bladder and he was in a coma, his legs were massive, again 0:22:21.610,0:22:30.010 back to the oedema, they had to cut his pyjamas because they were so tight. 0:22:30.010,0:22:36.690 The urine in his catheter was brown and blood stained and thick like tar. We were told he 0:22:36.690,0:22:41.400 had multiple organ failure and that he only had hours to live. 0:22:41.400,0:22:45.680 I said look you have got to tilt this bed! First of all they refused, thinking that I 0:22:45.680,0:22:52.680 was daft and then finally they gave up when I got a little bit angry and tilted his bed 0:22:52.680,0:22:55.950 and every time I turned my back, they would put the bed back down again. 0:22:55.950,0:23:04.710 But he came out of his coma and his urine started to run clear within hours, his organs 0:23:04.710,0:23:11.400 started functioning again and the yellowness was going from his skin. So this was quite 0:23:11.400,0:23:16.660 remarkable and yet they kept trying to put the bed back flat. 0:23:16.660,0:23:22.910 He walked out of that hospital, though he had a stent operation to ease the pressure 0:23:22.910,0:23:28.940 in his gall bladder and he enjoyed another 8 months of life when he was given hours to 0:23:28.940,0:23:31.800 live. Unfortunately the pancreatic cancer got the 0:23:31.800,0:23:37.440 better of him, and no amount of education from me about changing his diet seemed to 0:23:37.440,0:23:45.080 sink in. You know he still enjoyed his bacon sandwich and his glass of whisky. 0:23:45.080,0:23:50.910 You know I loved that guy, he was amazing and a hard man as well, he never took so much 0:23:50.910,0:23:55.890 as a paracetamol for pain while he was in that hospital. 0:23:55.890,0:24:01.580 Yeah yeah, I mean what you are expressing here must have been infuriating to find that 0:24:01.580,0:24:05.390 they come in behind your back and changing things. 0:24:05.390,0:24:10.400 Yes I mean obviously they are trying to protect 0:24:10.400,0:24:16.410 their jobs to some extent, not really caring for the patient and they are clearly seeing 0:24:16.410,0:24:18.550 that it was effective what you were doing. But 0:24:18.550,0:24:23.670 They are working from a book Steve, that's the problem, and if there are mistakes in 0:24:23.670,0:24:29.660 that book they will keep repeating the mistakes Yes yes Because that's the way it is done 0:24:29.660,0:24:33.290 if you like. Yes. that's the way they were taught in Med 0:24:33.290,0:24:36.970 School. Yes yes but it is sad, I really think that 0:24:36.970,0:24:44.250 that was very sad and on this earth that people can see things and do things in front of their 0:24:44.250,0:24:49.610 eyes and plain just turn around and refuse to look at it. You know. 0:24:49.610,0:24:53.730 Yes Well we have touched on a few things there 0:24:53.730,0:25:02.380 about the dangers of bed rest. What happens with the heart when you sleep on an inclined 0:25:02.380,0:25:05.680 bed? Well the heart rate decreases by 10 to 12 0:25:05.680,0:25:11.840 beats per minute and your respiration rate decreases by 4 to 5 breaths per minute. Yet 0:25:11.840,0:25:18.810 your circulation increases. Now I tested this on sleeping dogs, 3 bull terriers to be honest, 0:25:18.810,0:25:26.130 who have no problem sleeping. I tested their heart rate and respiration rate just against 0:25:26.130,0:25:32.720 a stop watch, while they were sleeping flat and then while they were sleeping on an incline. 0:25:32.720,0:25:38.480 And their reductions were exactly the same a decrease in heart rate by 10 to 12 beats 0:25:38.480,0:25:44.240 per minute and in respiration rate by 4 to 5 breaths per minute. So clearly you know 0:25:44.240,0:25:48.220 we are dealing with something that is not just human specific but it goes right across 0:25:48.220,0:25:55.330 the animal world as well. I can verify that. I can verify that to be 0:25:55.330,0:25:59.010 right as I have a oxymeter as I was speaking to you that you put on your finger and measures 0:25:59.010,0:26:06.230 your heart rate and your blood gases. I may be going a little bit out of my dealings with 0:26:06.230,0:26:13.150 the inclined bed but the times I have managed to get into bed and once I have become relaxed 0:26:13.150,0:26:18.290 in bed, my heart rate is generally about the same as my bloods so if my bloods are about 0:26:18.290,0:26:27.290 95, my heart rate generally is 95 and since I inclined the bed I have been getting my 0:26:27.290,0:26:32.510 bloods 95 and my heart rate as been about 85, so I can verify what you are saying there 0:26:32.510,0:26:37.640 it is absolutely true and I have never discussed that before as we have been chatting, it is 0:26:37.640,0:26:40.740 absolutely right that my heart rate dropped by 10 beats per minute. 0:26:40.740,0:26:45.220 The other thing that we found was that we measured the density of our urine because 0:26:45.220,0:26:51.120 as I said earlier, the kidneys are filtering out the salts and other materials from the 0:26:51.120,0:26:57.780 blood, so I would expect that if we are on an incline to see a change in urine density. 0:26:57.780,0:27:04.620 Now we measured it using a simple hydrometer, the type you would use in beer making. And 0:27:04.620,0:27:13.050 what we found was that the flat bed rest caused the urine density to decrease over and above 0:27:13.050,0:27:18.700 normal daily activity, in other words the kidneys are not functioning properly. 0:27:18.700,0:27:24.730 Head down bed rest caused the urine density to drop down to near water levels, in other 0:27:24.730,0:27:29.550 words no salts were being erected from the bladder and that when we raised the head end 0:27:29.550,0:27:36.210 of the bed we found that the urine readings went up and became stronger and more dense. 0:27:36.210,0:27:46.500 I was just clocking the time there Andrew and we are getting to about 25 minutes to. 0:27:46.500,0:27:51.660 Just one question about when you were talking about the density of your urine, would keeping 0:27:51.660,0:27:57.770 properly hydrated be the optimum way of improving your chances of it doing something for you? 0:27:57.770,0:28:00.940 Yes Or is there something else we can do to help? 0:28:00.940,0:28:06.730 Yes I have a bottle of water by the side of the bed and advocate that people should be 0:28:06.730,0:28:12.200 drinking more water on inclined bed therapy. Because there is going to be a huge detox 0:28:12.200,0:28:18.390 going on when you first tilt your bed so you need to replace the excess fluids that we 0:28:18.390,0:28:26.270 are evaporating and excreting in the urine, which is logical, it makes sense, we should 0:28:26.270,0:28:31.870 all be drinking more water anyway. So yes and if it means having to get out of 0:28:31.870,0:28:41.400 bed in the night to have a wee, being upright is a great thing, you know, and in fact Joan 0:28:41.400,0:28:49.660 Vernikos, who is the former head of life sciences in NASA advocates that people. especially 0:28:49.660,0:28:54.710 the elderly should stand every 20 minutes and she is saying that sitting down is killing 0:28:54.710,0:29:00.280 us and that bed rest is killing us. So make a point of standing every 20 minutes 0:29:00.280,0:29:05.290 if only for a couple of minutes, which I find fascinating. 0:29:05.290,0:29:12.200 What she did was, there was an 82 year old, I think he was 82 or 92 year old who was in 0:29:12.200,0:29:21.400 the same job at NASA and he was in a wheel chair and she advised him during her seminar 0:29:21.400,0:29:29.610 to actually get out of the wheelchair and stand every 20 minutes. When he was visited 0:29:29.610,0:29:36.480 by someone who got back to Joan , said that he actually served them their meal and he 0:29:36.480,0:29:43.450 wasn't in a wheelchair any more. So that's just standing up and in fact if we take gravity 0:29:43.450,0:29:52.070 away all together, which is with astronauts in space, the ageing process is accelerated 0:29:52.070,0:30:00.860 by over 10% than it is here on Earth.. 10 times faster tan it is here on Earth. You 0:30:00.860,0:30:08.470 get massive bone de-calcification, osteoporosis, neurological damage, kidney stones, gall stones, 0:30:08.470,0:30:17.070 bladder stones, visual disturbances, changes in the fluid, your skin becomes much thinner 0:30:17.070,0:30:26.670 and ages much faster in space and NASA have studied the effects of flat bed rest and head 0:30:26.670,0:30:33.520 down bed rest and in fact they are paying people $17,000 dollars just to sleep or stay 0:30:33.520,0:30:43.220 in a bed that is tilted down by six degrees. They are doing this to actually mimic what 0:30:43.220,0:30:50.280 happens in space, so they are ageing these people ten times faster than if they were 0:30:50.280,0:30:58.630 having normal daily activity. So again the mirror there is the bed rest is used to reflect 0:30:58.630,0:31:04.930 what happens to the body when we travel in micro gravity in space. 0:31:04.930,0:31:10.740 Humm hmm you couldn't pay me that amount of money. 0:31:10.740,0:31:11.910 No no. 0:31:11.910,0:31:14.230 Hello Andrew Hi David 0:31:14.230,0:31:16.250 how are you? I'm fine thank you 0:31:16.250,0:31:23.050 Hi David Is that Steve? 0:31:23.050,0:31:25.450 It is Hi Steve 0:31:25.450,0:31:32.400 You are live on awake radio and I was going to go for a tune but decided to call you in 0:31:32.400,0:31:34.030 welcome to awake Thank you 0:31:34.030,0:31:41.050 Where are you talking from? I'm a Scotsman living in Ireland 0:31:41.050,0:31:49.720 We go out all around the World, America Australia South Africa, the Whole shooting match so 0:31:49.720,0:31:53.760 to speak You are from America I believe? 0:31:53.760,0:32:00.370 No I am a Yorkshire man Right, I should have recognised that accent. 0:32:00.370,0:32:08.340 I have been to Ireland and enjoyed it I have been down to Devon where Andrew lives. 0:32:08.340,0:32:20.860 I met Andrew around 1993 I think I think it was a bout 1995 96 0:32:20.860,0:32:23.590 95 96 right Time flies It does 0:32:23.590,0:32:31.420 So I am assuming that you have tried the inclined bed therapy David? 0:32:31.420,0:32:40.680 Yes well when I first met Andrew he mentioned about the inclined bed and all of his research 0:32:40.680,0:32:51.010 with trees and things like that and the circulation of nature and I decided to must have been 0:32:51.010,0:33:00.620 95 96 to buy an inclined bed off him and within a few months he was so generous him and his 0:33:00.620,0:33:09.970 wife drove 350 miles north up to where I lived and delivered the bed. 0:33:09.970,0:33:18.610 I was very grateful at the time. I still am because I have slept on that bed 0:33:18.610,0:33:30.240 ever since and it took a while of perseverance to adjust myself to it and it certainly paid 0:33:30.240,0:33:37.480 off. Could I ask what benefits you have attained 0:33:37.480,0:33:46.050 from it? Well prior to meeting Andrew I had been an 0:33:46.050,0:33:54.340 instrument engineer working off shore almost 24 hours 7 days a week 0:33:54.340,0:34:04.170 In fact it was the disaster of Piper Alpha in 1989 that decided me to chuck my construction 0:34:04.170,0:34:12.760 boots in, but at the time I was suffering of all the following medical conditions. 0:34:12.760,0:34:20.510 Keratitis, which is an irritation of the eye which doctors did not know how to cure it. 0:34:20.510,0:34:26.590 Tinnitus which they couldn't treat at the time. Deafness because I had been working 0:34:26.590,0:34:39.659 off shore in a very noisy environment and I also had a prolapsed disc for about maybe 0:34:39.659,0:34:48.610 20 years before I met Andrew. That produced sciatica and by the time I met 0:34:48.610,0:34:59.600 Andrew I had arthritis of the spine and also my fingers I couldn't bear to pick anything 0:34:59.600,0:35:16.240 up. In fact I used to play the piano and I couldn't bear to touch the notes with my fingers. 0:35:16.240,0:35:25.640 Since then, having persevered with the inclined bed six inches which Andrew made, all of those 0:35:25.640,0:35:32.450 conditions have virtually gone. To be quite truthful, I have never needed 0:35:32.450,0:35:42.940 to see any doctors or medical physicians since 2001 and since that day I have never taken 0:35:42.940,0:35:52.300 any medical prescriptions or anything like that whatsoever. It has been a gradual process 0:35:52.300,0:36:01.200 within my body. You can't have an agenda when you start laying on an inclined bed, you are 0:36:01.200,0:36:07.770 just wasting your own time having an agenda, thinking that yes I am going to get better 0:36:07.770,0:36:16.340 tomorrow or the next week or cure all ills and things like that. 0:36:16.340,0:36:32.060 You have got to maintain a good life and sleep on this inclined bed. And if you can persevere 0:36:32.060,0:36:37.190 it's going to be well worth it. Sure sure 0:36:37.190,0:36:45.410 And what do you think that healed David Andrew? What would be your assumption of it? 0:36:45.410,0:36:54.980 Well, David is one case of many and over 20 years I have heard many many cases like David's. 0:36:54.980,0:37:01.440 It seems to identify that the flat bed was actually the cause of many of the problems, 0:37:01.440,0:37:07.350 possibly as he mentioned working on the rigs being very damp as we discussed early a very 0:37:07.350,0:37:16.110 damp climate will have a double whammy affect, in fact many of the people that work in the 0:37:16.110,0:37:22.970 fishing an the boats and trawlers you see them walking around in the harbour areas and 0:37:22.970,0:37:32.240 they are crippled up with severe problems with the skeletal frame, arthritis, doubled 0:37:32.240,0:37:42.260 over and not a great job like David's job. So if we have identified that the flat bed 0:37:42.260,0:37:47.369 could have been the cause and if we take the flat bed out of the equation we should all 0:37:47.369,0:37:50.700 get better. I am not saying it is a cure all for everyone 0:37:50.700,0:38:01.860 but I have had success with spinal cord injury, Parkinson's multiple sclerosis, even a problem 0:38:01.860,0:38:08.369 with human fertility believe it or not. Influenza, chicken pox, so it boosts the immune 0:38:08.369,0:38:14.170 system as well. We tend not to get as ill as we did when we slept on a flat bed, you 0:38:14.170,0:38:18.869 know if you get Man-flu the man usually lays down flat and gets very ill 0:38:18.869,0:38:23.020 Ha ha ha The wife doesn't get man-flu because she is 0:38:23.020,0:38:28.840 too busy running around looking after the husband, so they are always upright and they 0:38:28.840,0:38:32.930 tend not to get as ill as the men and in fact if we go back to the sweating sickness it 0:38:32.930,0:38:36.760 was probably the men that died more-so than the women. 0:38:36.760,0:38:42.540 Ha ha ha Talking about man flu and colds, I can't remember 0:38:42.540,0:38:49.160 how many years it has been since I had such an event 0:38:49.160,0:38:54.230 Yes Well David thank you very much for chipping 0:38:54.230,0:38:55.770 in Thank you 0:38:55.770,0:39:04.980 You are more than welcome my friend For me it tends to recycle your body energies 0:39:04.980,0:39:12.110 down to your feet more efficiently no matter what salts, no matter what chemicals you have 0:39:12.110,0:39:18.180 got in your body everything has to be emitted from your body and from your feet eventually 0:39:18.180,0:39:23.640 and your toes It seems to do what I have just explained 0:39:23.640,0:39:37.330 Well I suppose that your circulation is your healing energy and that if it is able to get to everything then 0:39:37.330,0:39:42.310 it's obviously going to heal. Well without circulation we are dead. 0:39:42.310,0:39:46.190 Yeah yeah yeah Fascinating fascinating 0:39:46.190,0:39:53.580 I will play devils advocate just for one second David. Is there anything that you reckon may 0:39:53.580,0:39:58.310 have helped your healing process other than the inclined bed therapy? 0:39:58.310,0:40:07.060 Well I have never drunk alcohol for about four or five years now and never smoked. Well 0:40:07.060,0:40:19.200 put it this way I smoked when I was about 30 for about 4 years and then I knocked it 0:40:19.200,0:40:24.340 off. That's erm 45 years ago ha ha 0:40:24.340,0:40:30.180 So effectively all you have done is pretty much maintained a healthy diet and inclined 0:40:30.180,0:40:35.609 bed therapy and that has been it? In fact when I stopped working offshore I 0:40:35.609,0:40:44.950 was over 15 stone in weight and because of all the good food that they supply to you 0:40:44.950,0:40:58.920 in the meals off shore. That 15 stones is now slimmed down to about 11 and a half stones 0:40:58.920,0:41:05.890 in the last 20 odd years. And I have just maintained that weight and 0:41:05.890,0:41:17.990 I enjoy my eating so it must be the bed. I have just made contact with Terri would 0:41:17.990,0:41:22.030 you like to maybe bring Terri in a minute? Yes please 0:41:22.030,0:41:26.990 Terri's daughter Steve, took one of my experiments to school 0:41:26.990,0:41:29.390 Oh yeah Hmm hmm 0:41:29.390,0:41:35.850 And entered it into to the, what did you call it Terri, like a science fair was it? 0:41:35.850,0:41:42.080 A science fair, right 3 2 1 0:41:42.080,0:41:47.510 Welcome back to Awake radio folks and when I started the show I never mentioned any of 0:41:47.510,0:41:53.570 our affiliates so I will give them a quick mention and I will get Andrew to mention his 0:41:53.570,0:41:59.000 website as well So Obviously Awake U.S. and Awake Australia 0:41:59.000,0:42:07.030 and Turtle Island News Shazis Radio dot come and these changing times. People for people 0:42:07.030,0:42:15.190 which used to be Scottish sovereigns and united we strike and well spirit radio, Just us radio 0:42:15.190,0:42:21.560 and I'm sure I have forgotten some of you guys, oh no ha ha but where ever you are listening 0:42:21.560,0:42:26.170 whatever your platform you are listening from guys I hope you are finding this information 0:42:26.170,0:42:32.040 very valid and very useful and you now understand it 0:42:32.040,0:42:37.190 Some subjects are not always the most interesting nut certainly for me this is an interesting 0:42:37.190,0:42:42.500 subject it is something that is very very cheap and it's not going to cost you a great 0:42:42.500,0:42:48.750 deal of money and it's something as Andrew said is repeatable and you know I think it's 0:42:48.750,0:42:55.290 well worth having a go to be honest. So Andrew welcome back again and 0:42:55.290,0:43:00.830 Thank you Steven And Terri as joined us from the good old US 0:43:00.830,0:43:07.080 of A which will please a lot of our listeners. Hello everyone 0:43:07.080,0:43:17.880 So Terri would you like to give us a little introduction to your inclined bed therapy? 0:43:17.880,0:43:26.230 I found the website talked about the inclined bed therapy and I was new to multiple sclerosis 0:43:26.230,0:43:34.760 and I didn't take any medication yet for the multiple sclerosis and I found this information 0:43:34.760,0:43:42.700 and I thought huh you want somebody to try something new. I will be happy to try that. 0:43:42.700,0:43:48.220 Didn't involve any needles or pain or medication and didn't cost me anything, yeah I was willing 0:43:48.220,0:43:56.790 to give it a try and I had pain in my left thigh all of the time and I thought well Betty 0:43:56.790,0:44:02.119 Iams a nice woman though I have never met her, she suggested this therapy and said it 0:44:02.119,0:44:08.920 worked for her so I would give it a try. And I used some books underneath the frame 0:44:08.920,0:44:13.600 of my bed and I would just give it a try, he said six inches higher than your feet, 0:44:13.600,0:44:19.450 Ok I can do maths, I can measure and so I put the books under my bed and slept that 0:44:19.450,0:44:24.660 way one night and though huh the pain's gone and my husband said I hate it so I said alight 0:44:24.660,0:44:28.350 I will take the books out again. The pain came back. 0:44:28.350,0:44:32.970 I said the couch is out there I am sleeping with the bed up and we have done it ever since. 0:44:32.970,0:44:38.840 And that was back in 1998 So I have been sleeping that way ever since 0:44:38.840,0:44:43.140 and my multiple sclerosis does not give me any trouble, I have never taken any drugs 0:44:43.140,0:44:50.680 or anything injectable or anything cancer causing. I never take any drugs just the inclined 0:44:50.680,0:44:58.940 bed has served me well since 1998. That's a good record. I believe you had an 0:44:58.940,0:45:06.270 interesting conversation with your neurologist? Yes, The neurologist recently told me that 0:45:06.270,0:45:12.800 you don't really need to come back to see me again your better. I have never seen anyone 0:45:12.800,0:45:18.770 get better, it is not a disease that is supposed to get better he said don't bother to come 0:45:18.770,0:45:22.400 back ha ha ha ha ha ha Brilliant 0:45:22.400,0:45:26.390 I have never been happier to fire a doctor in my life. 0:45:26.390,0:45:30.240 Brilliant brilliant One thing I noticed with David and yourself 0:45:30.240,0:45:35.590 that has been sort of late 90's that you have been doing inclined bed therapy so that's 0:45:35.590,0:45:39.700 quite some time Hmm hmm 0:45:39.700,0:45:47.980 Did it take some time? How long did it take for you to get a response or reaction with 0:45:47.980,0:45:55.670 it any idea? I had mine immediately because I had the pain 0:45:55.670,0:46:02.800 and then it was gone and that is how multiple sclerosis works it comes and goes but I had 0:46:02.800,0:46:11.280 instant relief from the pain in my leg and I had no reason to think that this isn't working. 0:46:11.280,0:46:17.320 Brilliant Yeah Since then I have had amalgams removed from 0:46:17.320,0:46:22.869 my teeth and my doctor not my neurologist this is a different doctor who said I think 0:46:22.869,0:46:28.520 you have had mercury poisoning as well as your multiple sclerosis so with the amalgams 0:46:28.520,0:46:36.210 removed from my teeth I think I have eliminated mercury poisoning from my system. I still 0:46:36.210,0:46:40.070 have had no problems with multiple sclerosis and I have tried sleeping flat on a vacation 0:46:40.070,0:46:46.010 when I couldn't sleep inclined and I hated it, my husband said he hated it too and even 0:46:46.010,0:46:51.310 though he on one hand hates sliding down on the bed on the other hand he can't sleep flat 0:46:51.310,0:46:52.910 now. ha ha ha ha 0:46:52.910,0:46:57.040 He is a fireman so occasionally he has to go to the fire-station to sleep and he don't 0:46:57.040,0:47:02.060 sleep good there, it's too much bother to lift the bed up there. 0:47:02.060,0:47:10.890 Although we just use PVC pipe and put it under the leg of the bed and that's how we raise 0:47:10.890,0:47:13.190 our bed, the book thing didn't really work to well. 0:47:13.190,0:47:16.240 Yeah that's a great idea. Yeah 0:47:16.240,0:47:23.970 Depending on where we go my family have bricks for me to use and that works for me if I at 0:47:23.970,0:47:30.480 their house I have bricks. Whatever, I have gone on a mission trip to Trinidad and we 0:47:30.480,0:47:36.240 took pvc pipe on the trip to Trinidad and I raised the bed there and had some rocks 0:47:36.240,0:47:40.770 to help put underneath it but the pvc pipe seems to work really well. 0:47:40.770,0:47:45.869 Brilliant brilliant It's easy to cut and you can make it whatever 0:47:45.869,0:47:53.780 length you want. Yes that sounds a very simplistic way yeas 0:47:53.780,0:48:01.570 I am all about simple things and blood . We have a question in the chat which refers 0:48:01.570,0:48:09.210 to the bed as well which clearly enjoyed you mentioning about sliding down the bed and 0:48:09.210,0:48:15.430 said if the bed is tilted that much how does one stay on it without sliding to the end? 0:48:15.430,0:48:24.820 My bed is tilted 4 inches and I have had constantly to stop myself from going to the bottom of 0:48:24.820,0:48:29.090 the bed. What you can do there is to wrap an old duvet 0:48:29.090,0:48:35.340 if you have a spare duvet or a blanket, wrap it tightly around the mattress and then put 0:48:35.340,0:48:42.040 your top sheet on and that extra friction that you get from the duvet or the blanket 0:48:42.040,0:48:48.210 prevents the slipping. Very smart thinking that 0:48:48.210,0:48:55.480 Well these are some of the tips that many people who have been helped have handed over. 0:48:55.480,0:49:05.750 What Terri was saying there about an instant reaction a lady, she's an ex nurse and she 0:49:05.750,0:49:11.630 has a condition called psoriatic arthritis and she would wake up every morning racked 0:49:11.630,0:49:17.530 with pain and she admitted to me that a while back, quite a few years back that she was 0:49:17.530,0:49:22.980 ready for a wheelchair. Life for her was a real struggle, she would immerse her hands 0:49:22.980,0:49:26.900 in hot water trying to get her hands to move and after about a hour and a half of pain 0:49:26.900,0:49:32.090 she would be able to move her hands. She ran a guest house at the time so it was a real 0:49:32.090,0:49:39.010 struggle for her. She tilted her bed and got up the next morning 0:49:39.010,0:49:43.550 and she didn't need to immerse her hands in water they worked. So that was from one night 0:49:43.550,0:49:48.119 sleeping on an angled bed. Brilliant 0:49:48.119,0:49:53.730 To this date she is a very good friend of ours now, her psoriasis has completely gone, 0:49:53.730,0:50:02.490 she has no more pain in her joints, she can walk miles it's amazing. 0:50:02.490,0:50:10.609 And another lady with psoriasis, took a series of photographs and we actually saw all of 0:50:10.609,0:50:16.390 the changes in her skin. She went to virtually having no psoriasis 0:50:16.390,0:50:21.260 with photographic evidence. It's absolutely brilliant 0:50:21.260,0:50:32.260 You know if you stop to think, like said at the start of this, who was the person that 0:50:32.260,0:50:35.210 determined that the whole human race should sleep flat? 0:50:35.210,0:50:41.190 When animals seldom sleep flat You know if you watch cows and sheep in the 0:50:41.190,0:50:46.310 field and there is a hillside they will all be facing up the hill when they are laying 0:50:46.310,0:50:50.220 down. Chimps sleep in trees and those trees are 0:50:50.220,0:50:54.230 not flat. Gorillas will lean up against a tree. Even 0:50:54.230,0:51:00.760 alligators and crocodiles and snake alter their posture, they don't stay flat for long. 0:51:00.760,0:51:08.470 An alligator will lower it's head to cool it's temperature and raise it's head to increase 0:51:08.470,0:51:16.660 it's temperature and so do lizards in an aquarium, vivarium. You know and birds, many birds will 0:51:16.660,0:51:22.359 sleep standing up, some horses will sleep standing up. 0:51:22.359,0:51:30.599 I mean effectively all I had ever known about that is if you are camping, don't sleep with 0:51:30.599,0:51:36.460 your head down the slope because your head fills up with water if you like a balloon 0:51:36.460,0:51:41.470 so that was the only thing I'd ever thought about that. 0:51:41.470,0:51:46.440 I have some feed back from people that camp out a lot and they say that they try and pitch 0:51:46.440,0:51:53.210 the tent so that there is a slight incline and they actually feel warmer. Which is another 0:51:53.210,0:51:58.460 thing that we have found is that the sloping bed increases your metabolism. If you suffer 0:51:58.460,0:52:03.810 with cold hands and cold feet, all of a sudden you get nice warm hands and nice warm feet 0:52:03.810,0:52:11.670 in bed, which indicates your circulation has improved and your metabolism has improved. 0:52:11.670,0:52:18.960 My Granddaughter is three now, but since she has been born she has had trouble with reflux, 0:52:18.960,0:52:23.480 acid reflux and the babies sleep is not fine because all she was doing is crying. 0:52:23.480,0:52:28.220 And my Daughter is the one that did Andrew's study and we tried to do the circulation thing 0:52:28.220,0:52:33.990 in the science fair thing and so my daughter understands his theory and she was quick to 0:52:33.990,0:52:40.130 put a block or something under the crib to make sure that she is inclined and that helped 0:52:40.130,0:52:43.500 her acid reflux tremendously. Brilliant 0:52:43.500,0:52:47.500 And my husband also suffers from that acid reflux disorder and we put our bed up, he 0:52:47.500,0:52:53.820 doesn't have that problem any more. It is interesting, my great grandmother slept 0:52:53.820,0:52:59.440 with her bed inclined and I am guessing that she had an acid problem and that it helped 0:52:59.440,0:53:09.230 her stomach. I was four years old I am 51 now. She was sleeping with her bed inclined 0:53:09.230,0:53:13.020 and we didn't know anything about Andrew's study then so it must have been something 0:53:13.020,0:53:17.570 that people do. Yes 0:53:17.570,0:53:20.540 Somewhere along the line, somebody had the idea that we should sleep with the head of 0:53:20.540,0:53:25.849 our bed up so that out tummy's don't hurt. Yes 0:53:25.849,0:53:32.130 The medical profession will also use it for respiratory failure, they will raise people's 0:53:32.130,0:53:37.369 beds at the head end but they generally sit people up and that is not the same as an inclined 0:53:37.369,0:53:38.180 bed. No 0:53:38.180,0:53:43.540 A lot of people think that being sat up in bed is the same. " I have got lot's of pillows 0:53:43.540,0:53:49.109 so I am already doing it. No your not! If you are sitting up you are actually preventing 0:53:49.109,0:53:55.040 yourself from laying on your sides comfortably, so you are always going to be laying on your 0:53:55.040,0:53:59.220 back and that's not good being in the same position every night. 0:53:59.220,0:54:04.530 You need to be able to rotate. That was actually a question I meant to ask 0:54:04.530,0:54:07.090 you. Does it matter about laying on your side or 0:54:07.090,0:54:11.040 on your back? Not at all not at all. On your back is probably 0:54:11.040,0:54:16.750 the worst for oxygenation. On your side is going to be better. 0:54:16.750,0:54:21.890 And in fact there is some research that prone position or laying on your tummy improves 0:54:21.890,0:54:27.780 the effectiveness of the lungs, which is a little bit disturbing when mothers are told 0:54:27.780,0:54:30.520 to put the baby flat on their backs Right 0:54:30.520,0:54:36.220 Well yeah they switch that up every now and again and the current thing is they should 0:54:36.220,0:54:37.430 be on their sides. Yes 0:54:37.430,0:54:41.930 My Granddaughter was told her baby should be on her side. 0:54:41.930,0:54:44.290 Yes, I have been saying this for years. Ha ha ha 0:54:44.290,0:54:48.780 In fact I had a meeting with Dr Shireen Chantler MA PhD from the Foundation For Sudden Infant 0:54:48.780,0:54:54.950 Death Syndrome at her home in London and she saw my experiments she heard my explanation, 0:54:54.950,0:54:58.000 she turned around to me and she looked me in the face and said; My god you have solved 0:54:58.000,0:55:03.060 it. I said what do you mean by that. She said you have solved sudden infant death syndrome. 0:55:03.060,0:55:09.119 That's right I then said so we can now tell mothers and 0:55:09.119,0:55:15.510 fathers to put their babies on an angle? Oh no it's not that simple. 0:55:15.510,0:55:18.270 Of course it is. Of course it is. 0:55:18.270,0:55:25.490 You know in fact there is a new movement called Kangaroo baby care, where the parents never 0:55:25.490,0:55:33.119 put their babies flat down in a bed, They have them up against themselves, they take 0:55:33.119,0:55:39.400 it in turns, the Husband picks the baby up, the mother picks the baby up, they don't put 0:55:39.400,0:55:44.250 that baby down. I couldn't do that forever but at some point 0:55:44.250,0:55:47.900 you have got to put the baby down. Well yes but for short periods of time I should 0:55:47.900,0:55:56.010 imagine its ok. But it's not ok to leave a baby flat for all those hour 0:55:56.010,0:56:01.859 But it is interesting that my Daughter who did the experiment realised that yes that's 0:56:01.859,0:56:04.910 what she wants to do with her babe. Fantastic 0:56:04.910,0:56:15.810 Well there was an interesting one with human fertility, a member of the family a lady was 0:56:15.810,0:56:27.430 having trouble with IVF In-vitro fertilization. She had spent a fortune, she couldn't conceive. 0:56:27.430,0:56:36.830 And she gave up, so I convinced her to put the bed on an angle and without IVF she had 0:56:36.830,0:56:39.820 a baby. Congratulations 0:56:39.820,0:56:49.950 It's fascinating and if we look in space travel they have actually observed the way sperm 0:56:49.950,0:56:59.490 swims and it loses it's motility when it is in zero well micro-gravity. So they are saying 0:56:59.490,0:57:13.220 now the latest buz is that long term space flight would or could make some people sterile. 0:57:13.220,0:57:21.010 Didn't you say Andrew that there was someone that had significant improvements with quadriplegic 0:57:21.010,0:57:30.890 or paraplegic that could walk again? Yes that was John Cann, he was a fantastic 0:57:30.890,0:57:38.589 guy, he has passed away john has, he died at 76 years of age. He had trouble with his 0:57:38.589,0:57:46.200 medication, I won't go into the details but it was not related to the sloping bed. And 0:57:46.200,0:57:54.609 he was paralysed for 10 and a half years I think it was. He was filmed by Carlton Television 0:57:54.609,0:58:01.740 News. He got out of his wheel chair and he walked on Carlton Television news. You can 0:58:01.740,0:58:07.839 see his feet moving correctly and his knees lifting it was incredible, he walked between 0:58:07.839,0:58:14.250 two parallel bars and he walked to one end of the bars. I had assembled the bars at his 0:58:14.250,0:58:18.050 home and turned around and walked back in front of the cameras. 0:58:18.050,0:58:23.690 I will always remember Tim Iredale saying, he was the news reporter, He said this is 0:58:23.690,0:58:29.270 one of those days you will always remember where you were. It is an absolute pleasure 0:58:29.270,0:58:35.940 watching this, seeing you working with these people is incredible. 0:58:35.940,0:58:39.130 How long did it take it take him to sleep inclined before he could do that? 0:58:39.130,0:58:44.920 I forget, I haven't got the notes with me now but it took quite a while, probably took 0:58:44.920,0:58:49.800 over a year. I was trying to remember, I think I read it 0:58:49.800,0:58:51.560 it was about a year. Yes 0:58:51.560,0:58:56.530 But you see John was not by any means the first, in fact I have just uploaded the case 0:58:56.530,0:59:09.390 histories onto the website at http://inclinedbedtherapy.com And it's under my research tab under the main 0:59:09.390,0:59:15.650 menu, you will see the spinal cord injury case histories that I have uploaded. 0:59:15.650,0:59:25.570 The first two, Julian Boustead and John Mason both complete spinal cord injuries, incredible 0:59:25.570,0:59:34.250 results with both of these guys. That then led on to helping more people with spinal 0:59:34.250,0:59:44.310 cord injuries. But I tried on the Carecure forum to introduce the theory and many people 0:59:44.310,0:59:50.460 there were shooting me down in flames but a few people decided to give it a try and 0:59:50.460,0:59:55.310 when they come back and started to report that they were improving also, they were also 0:59:55.310,1:00:01.150 ridiculed and chased off the website and they had been there for years and friends of these 1:00:01.150,1:00:04.830 people. And some even accused me that I had invented 1:00:04.830,1:00:10.330 these people, so to do that I would have had to have gone there 4 or 5 or 6 years before 1:00:10.330,1:00:18.050 and spent months and months and months of posts to different people on the pretext of 1:00:18.050,1:00:20.890 trying to introduce people who were showing results? 1:00:20.890,1:00:25.710 It was ridicules but they would rather believe that than that putting two blocks of wood 1:00:25.710,1:00:31.900 under the bed would out smart the people that were involved in spinal cord research? 1:00:31.900,1:00:36.690 Well in reality I can understand that because I must admit that when I first saw your show 1:00:36.690,1:00:42.560 with Clive De Carle it was something that and I do praise myself for keeping an open 1:00:42.560,1:00:47.130 mind when I seen it, I thought that would not really be worth watching and you know 1:00:47.130,1:00:54.589 but when I did, it didn't half hit me right between the eyes. You shouldn't rule anything 1:00:54.589,1:00:57.920 out, you should look in and see and become informed I think 1:00:57.920,1:01:03.160 Never judge a book by it's cover. Yeah exactly 1:01:03.160,1:01:06.839 And the best part about this whole thing is that no one is making any money on it, which 1:01:06.839,1:01:11.960 is unfortunate for Andrew but no one is making any money on it and this is something you 1:01:11.960,1:01:16.609 can try and if you don't like it don't do it but it doesn't hurt give it a try. 1:01:16.609,1:01:23.730 Yes that's a good point It doesn't harm you to try it in the least 1:01:23.730,1:01:27.349 and you might discover something that you didn't even expect I mean one of the best 1:01:27.349,1:01:33.290 things about it is it made my nails better than they were before, I mean really? I mean 1:01:33.290,1:01:37.550 I'm a woman and it matters to me but something silly like that I mean your hair, your nails 1:01:37.550,1:01:43.460 that improving because your circulating all of those minerals in your system 1:01:43.460,1:01:53.270 Yes Yes it did me Terri, I had siatica of the 1:01:53.270,1:02:00.490 nerves and things like that, I found the nails were actually stronger and growing faster 1:02:00.490,1:02:01.930 That's right Right 1:02:01.930,1:02:10.869 Yeah. I also was walking using a walking stick for 4 years and I had all the symptoms of 1:02:10.869,1:02:18.480 multiple sclerosis but I refused to go to the Doctors because they would just give me 1:02:18.480,1:02:24.150 a bucket full of pills anyway. The best case so far was a girls with cerebral 1:02:24.150,1:02:34.089 palsy, she was 12 years of age and her parents called me and asked me about a bull terrier 1:02:34.089,1:02:39.060 and the question was, what would an adult male bull terrier be like around a severely 1:02:39.060,1:02:41.859 disabled child? I said what's the matter with your kid? 1:02:41.859,1:02:45.099 She said why do you want to know? I said, I might be able to help. 1:02:45.099,1:02:47.680 She said don't be bloody ridiculous, I rang for information about a dog, she said I have 1:02:47.680,1:02:51.550 been half way around the world no body can help my daughter. 1:02:51.550,1:02:57.940 I said, look I can't make you listen She said well spit it out then, so I told 1:02:57.940,1:03:02.470 her all about my research and how it had been helping people with multiple sclerosis and 1:03:02.470,1:03:08.520 people with spinal cord injury and that it might just work with a child with cerebral 1:03:08.520,1:03:17.810 palsy. By now she had told me that her daughter had cp and up to the age of 12 had never walked 1:03:17.810,1:03:22.530 and she wore callipers day times and night times to keep her legs straight. She had no 1:03:22.530,1:03:30.839 muscles on her legs, very frail and they tilted the bed. It took quite a few months I think 1:03:30.839,1:03:36.320 it was about 8 months probably longer when the school rang up and said that this little 1:03:36.320,1:03:43.829 girl had got out of her wheelchair and walked at school. That's the first time in 12 years. 1:03:43.829,1:03:47.220 Wow And it was quite a few months later, this 1:03:47.220,1:03:54.060 girl actually called me up and I picked the phone up and she said are you Andrew? I said 1:03:54.060,1:03:56.770 Yes She said I'm the little girl that you have 1:03:56.770,1:04:00.950 been helping. She said I have just called to say thank you 1:04:00.950,1:04:04.420 for what you have done for me. Do you know, my legs went to jelly and I collapsed 1:04:04.420,1:04:07.720 on the floor, I couldn't even stand up. Oh my 1:04:07.720,1:04:14.890 That was absolutely incredible. I was going to say that to you earlier on 1:04:14.890,1:04:20.140 that it must give you such a heart warming feeling when you see these people recovering. 1:04:20.140,1:04:29.660 It's good Steve because like you say it's good for the soul, not that I believe I am 1:04:29.660,1:04:33.710 not religious at all in any way, but if I had my time over again I would do it all over 1:04:33.710,1:04:38.380 again, because hey, If I don't do it nobody else is going to do it. 1:04:38.380,1:04:45.380 You can't wait for the doctors to come round and do it because there is no money in it. 1:04:45.380,1:04:49.680 The scientists are not going to do it because there is no money in it. 1:04:49.680,1:04:55.190 You know so and don't even get me started on the Governments. 1:04:55.190,1:05:01.130 Ha ha ha Even the bed makers don't make beds like that 1:05:01.130,1:05:05.680 because there is no money in it. Now you have hit the nail on the head. In 1:05:05.680,1:05:11.880 the early days I used to have beds made by Silent Night beds and they said that they 1:05:11.880,1:05:14.740 had to stop. I said why have you got to stop making them? 1:05:14.740,1:05:18.720 They said well it's casting a lot of doubt on the beds we make 1:05:18.720,1:05:23.150 ha ha ha We can't really help you with the advertising 1:05:23.150,1:05:25.240 because we would be shooting ourselves in the foot. 1:05:25.240,1:05:36.500 that was the end of that relationship. And in fact it had already helped the chief 1:05:36.500,1:05:43.339 executives personal secretary who had ms, unbeknown to me they had made an inclined 1:05:43.339,1:05:50.329 bed for her and she had shown remarkable improvements too. 1:05:50.329,1:05:55.089 You certainly made my bed. Aye 1:05:55.089,1:05:56.829 Hello Sir Hello Donald 1:05:56.829,1:06:02.130 Hi Andrew how are you? I am very good thank you my friend. 1:06:02.130,1:06:06.180 Hi Terri I just want to say you are great Oh thank you why? 1:06:06.180,1:06:12.190 You just really hit the nails on the head with these things and it's just really great 1:06:12.190,1:06:17.130 to hear the input Well, I like what he has done for us. 1:06:17.130,1:06:26.119 Yes it's just incredible Andrew didn't you say that sitting in a wheelchair 1:06:26.119,1:06:32.579 is a horrendous thing to make people do, if you have got this disease anyway why would 1:06:32.579,1:06:34.609 you sit in a wheel chair all day? Yeah 1:06:34.609,1:06:39.329 Wheelchair posture is really wrong, you know bucket seat posture with your knees higher 1:06:39.329,1:06:44.329 than your seat, that is going to compromise circulation down through your body together 1:06:44.329,1:06:47.839 with pressure you have got on your buttocks yeah definitely a no no. 1:06:47.839,1:06:57.490 And in fact I took the main board room at Jaguar cars and they said normally 20 minutes 1:06:57.490,1:07:02.170 would suffice and people would start walking out of the room with these high ranking directors. 1:07:02.170,1:07:08.099 But the talk was about how car seats are making people fall asleep at the wheel. 1:07:08.099,1:07:14.940 Because of bad posture. I said I referred to it as wheelchair posture and that talk 1:07:14.940,1:07:23.579 at Jaguar cars lasted 2 hours and I captivated everyone, not one person left the room. 1:07:23.579,1:07:29.400 But they said they couldn't do anything about the car seating because they have design constraints 1:07:29.400,1:07:34.450 on the vehicles, whatever that means, I haven't been able to work that out yet. 1:07:34.450,1:07:38.540 So Donald how has inclined bed therapy done for you? 1:07:38.540,1:07:47.359 Oh it's done really well Andrew and I am actually lying on my inclined sofa watching my computer. 1:07:47.359,1:07:55.310 I won't give this incline up for anything. So Steve you would ask people how they have 1:07:55.310,1:08:05.500 gotten on to this thing? Yeah I was trying to do the exact opposite of what Andrew suggested, 1:08:05.500,1:08:13.500 I had been to the doctor a couple of years ago and she told me that I was, or she thought 1:08:13.500,1:08:21.460 I was getting heart disease or atherosclerosis and wanted to put me on the medications that 1:08:21.460,1:08:24.670 are going around for that. I didn't want any part of that. 1:08:24.670,1:08:31.180 So I had remembered I had rented a home one time where the bed was actually inclined at 1:08:31.180,1:08:36.339 the foot end by a couple of inches and I thought I was getting some relief from that, so I 1:08:36.339,1:08:41.009 went on the internet to see if something like that would help me. The unfortunate thing 1:08:41.009,1:08:45.210 about doing research on the internet is that I can find anything to corroborate any theory 1:08:45.210,1:08:48.060 I can come up with That's true 1:08:48.060,1:08:54.480 So I tried to discipline myself to find anything that corroborates the opposite, so I bumped 1:08:54.480,1:09:00.020 into some of the stuff Andrew had written up talking about how we are supposed to sleep 1:09:00.020,1:09:05.080 the exact opposite way and I thought oh what is this and I started to read into it and 1:09:05.080,1:09:09.609 I was like oh my goodness this guy has really gone into a lot of detail so I had read the 1:09:09.609,1:09:16.380 recommendations to raise the head end of my bed starting out with a few inches, well I 1:09:16.380,1:09:21.069 couldn't wait, I think I inclined about 4 inches and before bed time I already had it 1:09:21.069,1:09:23.870 up to six or 7" Ha ha ha 1:09:23.870,1:09:25.279 That's where you belong Yeah 1:09:25.279,1:09:30.810 ha ha ha Thanks Well the Doctor had actually told me earlier 1:09:30.810,1:09:37.870 that day that she wasn't getting any pulse in my right foot and I had an eye stoke about 1:09:37.870,1:09:44.150 six months earlier and she said oh my god, your arteries are hardening and this is why 1:09:44.150,1:09:51.650 she wanted to put me on the statins as well. That night I could feel the blood flow tunnelling 1:09:51.650,1:09:55.180 through whatever blockages i was experiencing in my right foot. 1:09:55.180,1:10:02.130 Then my eyesight started to get better during the time I had actually managed to quit smoking 1:10:02.130,1:10:06.130 for a little bit I haven't managed to conquer that one yet. 1:10:06.130,1:10:13.210 But boy I just felt so much better, probably the thing that most people could identify 1:10:13.210,1:10:19.780 with in my story are the unexpected benefits as so many of us have had other benefits I 1:10:19.780,1:10:25.590 had a garden where I worked that had about 700 petunia plants and I would squat every 1:10:25.590,1:10:29.770 year to plant these in and I wouldn't get done with the planting before I was having 1:10:29.770,1:10:34.840 terrible lower back pains and sometimes I would have to take a full minute just to stand 1:10:34.840,1:10:42.770 up straight. That winter, I started sleeping inclined with 1:10:42.770,1:10:50.550 the bed head end up six inches and the feet down. The following spring I planted 1300 1:10:50.550,1:10:58.330 petunia plants not one episode of back pain at all. Ha ha 1:10:58.330,1:11:08.980 Its incredible My mother who is now 81 this was a couple 1:11:08.980,1:11:14.510 of years ago that I started this and I was talking to her about it and oh I think anybody 1:11:14.510,1:11:20.110 who has tried to become an inclined bed therapy evangelist has run into this I mean, people 1:11:20.110,1:11:24.420 think I am a cook it's almost like I got a reputation 1:11:24.420,1:11:29.699 Yeah Like you know so anyway that's ok because 1:11:29.699,1:11:34.610 the couple of people that have tried it and benefited makes it all worth while and hearing 1:11:34.610,1:11:44.020 from people on this show also is really great and I told my mother about this and so she 1:11:44.020,1:11:51.280 tried it and then as always all the benefits are always preceded by a a little a little 1:11:51.280,1:11:55.920 discomfort like going to the gym and working out. And then all of a sudden there's a benefit. 1:11:55.920,1:12:01.040 My mother was all set to put it back down she was having pain in her back from this. 1:12:01.040,1:12:07.219 After about 6 days and on the 7th day she came out of the shower in the morning sat 1:12:07.219,1:12:11.199 down to clip her toe nails and said oh my goodness I was able to lift my left foot up 1:12:11.199,1:12:14.320 onto my right knee without having to use my hands. 1:12:14.320,1:12:15.210 Ha ha ha Wow 1:12:15.210,1:12:19.750 I haven't been able to do that in five years. he he he 1:12:19.750,1:12:27.350 Now she is telling me that her balance is increasing tremendously so now I am starting 1:12:27.350,1:12:33.710 to do my own offshoot quasi enthusiast research which I am looking up, you know how blood 1:12:33.710,1:12:37.660 circulation affects the vestibular and there is so many directions we can go in. Anyway, 1:12:37.660,1:12:46.310 I tend to be long winded and that's my story., Brilliant, thank you very much Donald 1:12:46.310,1:12:50.780 Sure We didn't hear where does Donald live? 1:12:50.780,1:12:56.489 Oh I'm in New Haven Connecticut Terri. Yeah another Yankee here 1:12:56.489,1:13:09.110 I'm in Ohio Your in among friends, we have a lot of American listeners and American hosts 1:13:09.110,1:13:16.340 and some are especially first nations people so yeah way we look at Awake is that all races 1:13:16.340,1:13:21.530 cultures and religions we have all got to come together and share this kinda knowledge 1:13:21.530,1:13:27.260 because certainly the powers that be we call them certainly don't want us to be healthy 1:13:27.260,1:13:34.080 it would appear. The government doesn't want us healthy. 1:13:34.080,1:13:42.370 Yeah, what it is, is a sickness industry, if we are all well, they are out of business. 1:13:42.370,1:13:45.670 That's right Did you say how long you had been doing the 1:13:45.670,1:13:50.870 therapy Donald? Let's see I, when did I first contact you 1:13:50.870,1:13:54.860 Andrew about 2 years ago? Yeah it's been about 2 years. 1:13:54.860,1:14:00.330 As a matter of fact yeah I only discovered it recently Terri I couldn't believe that 1:14:00.330,1:14:06.440 when I discovered it about two and a half years ago and Andrew had been working on it 1:14:06.440,1:14:12.540 since like the 1990's It's like oh my god where have I been? 1:14:12.540,1:14:14.540 Yeah so anyway it's been about 2 and a half years. 1:14:14.540,1:14:25.170 I have been doing this since 1998 Don Well it certainly seems that there is an initial 1:14:25.170,1:14:32.180 effects that can be quite a positive, obviously over the long term you know you have got to 1:14:32.180,1:14:35.360 be patient with it I think. Yes 1:14:35.360,1:14:41.310 The first two weeks can be problematic for some people as Donald said it feels like you 1:14:41.310,1:14:47.030 have been working out in the gymnasium, your muscles are aching, you can get a stiff neck, 1:14:47.030,1:14:56.199 I remember getting a stiff neck =, but I also remember one of the days we took the lads 1:14:56.199,1:15:03.090 down to the beach and the lads had skate boards and I had a bull terrier pulling them up and 1:15:03.090,1:15:12.770 down the beach and I was running in front shouting the dog and the dog was a big powerful 1:15:12.770,1:15:18.230 dog pulling the lads at tremendous speed and the dog was falling on the floor completely 1:15:18.230,1:15:22.460 done in and when I got back I said oh the poor dog. 1:15:22.460,1:15:28.500 I remember Jude saying how come you are not out of breath? Why have you done all of this 1:15:28.500,1:15:32.840 and you are not out of breath? And another thing that we noticed as that 1:15:32.840,1:15:37.880 if we walked up the hill we would normally ache and with bags filled with shopping we 1:15:37.880,1:15:44.070 would pull over and stop, but now we were able to carry on without stopping so you know 1:15:44.070,1:15:49.070 that the benefits are quite remarkable. Yeah 1:15:49.070,1:15:55.670 When I was first diagnosed in 1998 I had a great deal of difficulty walking for any length 1:15:55.670,1:16:01.739 of time and I thought for sure I was going to follow the normal progression of multiple 1:16:01.739,1:16:08.030 sclerosis getting worse worse worse and since I started this right away since I was diagnosed 1:16:08.030,1:16:15.690 I am impressed that I have got better and better and it has constantly got better and 1:16:15.690,1:16:20.489 better and I have never had a huge set back that put me back further than where I started 1:16:20.489,1:16:23.650 from. That's quite impressive because anyone that 1:16:23.650,1:16:28.590 knows anything about multiple sclerosis is that it generally does not take any prisoners 1:16:28.590,1:16:40.880 Yeah In the initial study we had two ladies, two ophthalmologists, this was the pilot study 1:16:40.880,1:16:48.780 before Terri joined, the first pilot study. Two ladies ophthalmologists wrote to me and 1:16:48.780,1:16:53.750 said could you explain to me how putting two blocks of wood under someone's bed can restore 1:16:53.750,1:16:59.800 someone's sight? I had to go down and explain to them, they 1:16:59.800,1:17:02.350 were fascinated. Yes it sure did mine 1:17:02.350,1:17:12.070 You know Steve there was one benefit that I will take a risk on saying here on radio 1:17:12.070,1:17:17.290 is anybody with erectile dysfunction can get benefits from this. 1:17:17.290,1:17:27.630 That's true as well yes You know when I erm, how can I put this on 1:17:27.630,1:17:34.320 radio, well let me just say that one time the woman I was seeing at the time said I 1:17:34.320,1:17:38.030 am really impressed with what this has accomplished Ha ha ha 1:17:38.030,1:17:44.170 I'm going to get a T shirt with that on printed on it. 1:17:44.170,1:17:51.790 Well this could almost be a test for Granada Steve's radio listening audience, we all remember 1:17:51.790,1:17:58.410 how the sales of viagra took off to the point that they had to re-double and triple their 1:17:58.410,1:18:04.980 forecasts. Now we have to find out if every body starts sleeping on inclined beds. 1:18:04.980,1:18:07.010 He he he he Quite 1:18:07.010,1:18:12.850 As long as it works that's all good. Yeah well put Donald. 1:18:12.850,1:18:18.080 Very subtle You know all I could say is if you get a tonne 1:18:18.080,1:18:22.719 of listener-ship out of this starting in the next 5 minutes you know 1:18:22.719,1:18:26.150 he he he he he he If there is any profit generated from this 1:18:26.150,1:18:31.260 do something to promote what Andrew has done because, I mean just the number of people 1:18:31.260,1:18:36.570 that have been helped, I can't imagine that Andrew doesn't feel like the richest man alive 1:18:36.570,1:18:38.520 right now. I do I do 1:18:38.520,1:18:42.930 Not to say that there isn't a price that comes along with that he gets a lot of other people 1:18:42.930,1:18:46.199 writing in stuff saying he's a cook but they are all people who haven't tried it 1:18:46.199,1:18:49.680 Yes. I have yet to hear from one person who has 1:18:49.680,1:18:54.580 give this a good try say that it's nuts. Not one. 1:18:54.580,1:19:02.650 Hi Donald I have been using for the last 18 years at 1:19:02.650,1:19:13.150 least. I live in Yorkshire and I admit major spine problems working off shore as an engineer 1:19:13.150,1:19:21.340 and I was using a walking stick over 4 years as I was constantly falling over. Very very 1:19:21.340,1:19:30.460 similar to ms symptoms, but I refused to go to the doctors after I found Andrew 1:19:30.460,1:19:36.070 Yes One thing that I will say for your listeners 1:19:36.070,1:19:45.710 is Inclined bed therapy is the cure for migraines! The last one I had was in 1994 1:19:45.710,1:19:52.060 I can quite believe that. And another lady now has just joined us who 1:19:52.060,1:19:57.640 suffers with terrible migraines and I asked her the other day how many migraines have 1:19:57.640,1:20:03.170 you had since, she said none! So that's another load of pills that need 1:20:03.170,1:20:05.770 to go in the bin. That don't work incidentally. 1:20:05.770,1:20:12.320 Bathroom visits In the middle of the night and someone else had also indicated that that 1:20:12.320,1:20:16.670 would help her main thing that she was trying it for and she said it had helped tremendously 1:20:16.670,1:20:22.120 and fewer times she had to get up in the night. That's right, night time urination yes, but 1:20:22.120,1:20:29.060 also bed wetting, anybody that's having problems with the youngsters bed wetting tilt the bed. 1:20:29.060,1:20:33.140 I have had lots and lots of reports saying it stops instantly. 1:20:33.140,1:20:40.820 And again that's down to the 2 degree temperature drop when you are lying on a flat bed, that 1:20:40.820,1:20:46.290 means your body temperature drops so you feel cold and when you feel cold you need to pee. 1:20:46.290,1:20:52.050 So if your asleep unfortunately that's when you get an accident. But if your body temperature 1:20:52.050,1:21:00.480 is not dropping there is no need to, well you don't get the urge. 1:21:00.480,1:21:06.070 I think it was the lady that got me to start with it is Betty is the person that suggested 1:21:06.070,1:21:11.590 she had fewer reasons to have to get up during the night and she appreciated it. 1:21:11.590,1:21:15.840 Yes, that's one of the first reports that we get back in. 1:21:15.840,1:21:22.190 Another one was a lady with osteoporosis, a lady called Ruby Tate, she actually appeared 1:21:22.190,1:21:27.940 on the local television although I have lost the original broadcast it was on a video tape 1:21:27.940,1:21:34.090 that got destroyed, but when I met the lady she had answered a little advert in the newspaper 1:21:34.090,1:21:40.480 and this was before I had the internet and it just said, looking for volunteers to sleep 1:21:40.480,1:21:46.550 with the head of the bed raised six inches and that's all that I put. 1:21:46.550,1:21:54.000 Because that's all I could afford She came back to me, she contacted me and 1:21:54.000,1:21:59.480 she said she couldn't believe the differences. Again she was racked with pain, if she needed 1:21:59.480,1:22:04.170 to turn around she would have to turn her whole body around because her body was seizing 1:22:04.170,1:22:08.750 up. She couldn't drive her car because she couldn't look in the mirror, she couldn't 1:22:08.750,1:22:15.060 turn over in bed because she was in agony. Tilted her bed and all of those problems just 1:22:15.060,1:22:17.730 vanished. She got full movement of her body and spine 1:22:17.730,1:22:22.929 and neck, she was able to drive again, she could turn over in bed she could clothe herself, 1:22:22.929,1:22:29.290 dress herself, put her bra on, none of these things she could achieve and her husband Harry, 1:22:29.290,1:22:36.790 well her partner, he wasn't her husband partner called Harry he had what they call a suppurating 1:22:36.790,1:22:44.190 scar on his arm which had been there for 30 years it healed up. 1:22:44.190,1:22:47.230 Wow Amazing 1:22:47.230,1:22:53.880 Have you had any contact with people who have diabetes and how this affects them? 1:22:53.880,1:23:03.440 Well yes good point Terri Yes a lot of reports back from people with diabetes. A gentleman 1:23:03.440,1:23:09.920 over in Brixham we have found that his blood sugar levels are becoming more normal and 1:23:09.920,1:23:20.790 his insulin has dropped quite dramatically, he is on about a quarter of the dose he was 1:23:20.790,1:23:26.750 on before he tilted the bed. And he had a bleed behind his eye and he was 1:23:26.750,1:23:35.730 told that he needed surgery, this is laser surgery, and the bleed stopped, they were 1:23:35.730,1:23:39.830 mystified by what had happened. And then he moved over to Canada for a little 1:23:39.830,1:23:47.280 while on holiday a long holiday and he slept flat and his eye started to bleed again from 1:23:47.280,1:23:51.110 the back of his eye. But when he got back to the UK, it stopped 1:23:51.110,1:24:00.840 again because he was on his sloping bed. But interestingly enough his wife, has got 1:24:00.840,1:24:13.469 type 1 diabetes caused through a steroid prednisalone, she was overdosed on prednisalone and she 1:24:13.469,1:24:19.210 was told it had destroyed her pancreas and that it would never work again. 1:24:19.210,1:24:26.670 And low and behold she is now starting to produce her own insulin again. So her insulin 1:24:26.670,1:24:30.699 dose is dropping. Which is fantastic, but the icing on the cake 1:24:30.699,1:24:44.420 for diabetes is a guy called Tetaake Yee Ting who is a doctor over in Pohnpei Island and 1:24:44.420,1:24:48.250 with the help of the government there and the doctors and the local hospital and the 1:24:48.250,1:24:56.010 college, they conducted a study with a group of patients with diabetes and they tilted 1:24:56.010,1:25:00.690 the beds. Right across the board they listed a whole 1:25:00.690,1:25:06.660 number of other complaints they have and all of their sugar levels had dropped, all but 1:25:06.660,1:25:14.000 two who had gone in the opposite direction. So being a lateral thinker himself he investigated 1:25:14.000,1:25:18.550 why these two had gone in the wrong direction and both of them admitted that they hadn't 1:25:18.550,1:25:26.310 been sleeping on an inclined bed and that one had been binging out a wedding and another 1:25:26.310,1:25:31.210 had been binging out for two days at a funeral. But when they went back to the inclined bed 1:25:31.210,1:25:35.250 their blood sugar levels came down as well, quite significantly. 1:25:35.250,1:25:39.580 So this is really important and I have always maintained as well that these rows of poor 1:25:39.580,1:25:44.520 people who are in the hospitals and are having their limbs amputated with gangrene, this 1:25:44.520,1:25:52.980 can be stopped, you know, it is totally unnecessary. If they modified their beds, I am sure that 1:25:52.980,1:25:57.699 many of those amputations would be averted. They are going to have to change their eating 1:25:57.699,1:26:03.780 habits as well as their sleeping habits. Well yes, but the Americans introduced their 1:26:03.780,1:26:12.590 diet to the Pohnpei Island. They were ok when they had their own native diet, they were 1:26:12.590,1:26:18.910 very healthy indeed. Unfortunately the American way has got the better of them. 1:26:18.910,1:26:22.590 My condolences to them. 1:26:22.590,1:26:31.780 There was a child locally with an enlarged dysfunctioning pituitary gland.. Quite severe 1:26:31.780,1:26:40.650 paralysis and I met this lady who was at a party and had her head down looking all depressed, 1:26:40.650,1:26:47.480 so I asked her what the matter was? And she told me all about her son and she tilted the 1:26:47.480,1:26:55.570 bed. And a year later I was at another party and this lady kept looking at me strange and 1:26:55.570,1:27:01.030 I thought well there is something going on here and she came over in front of my wife 1:27:01.030,1:27:06.500 and put her arms around me. And said it worked. By now I had forgotten all about who it was 1:27:06.500,1:27:11.080 Wow She said my son is working out down the gymnasium 1:27:11.080,1:27:17.420 he has got the use of his arms his hands and his legs back. 1:27:17.420,1:27:25.679 I am bringing Rubicon into the call just now and I will try and get Avalina into the call 1:27:25.679,1:27:28.170 if I can. Hello 1:27:28.170,1:27:29.410 Hello Hello 1:27:29.410,1:27:32.530 Hello Can you hear me? 1:27:32.530,1:27:36.120 Yes yes we can We can hear you 1:27:36.120,1:27:40.030 ahh good Are you still there 1:27:40.030,1:27:42.070 Yes Have you tried the inclined bed therapy? 1:27:42.070,1:27:44.920 Yes I have, yes I have been doing if for 6 years now 1:27:44.920,1:27:52.100 Wow I had terrible stomach problems for a number 1:27:52.100,1:27:59.340 of years and I went to the Doctor but unfortunately the tablets I was given had many side effects. 1:27:59.340,1:28:04.699 Course they do Yes of course so one of them unfortunately 1:28:04.699,1:28:12.190 was breast enlargement and being a small lady That can't be a bad thing he he he he 1:28:12.190,1:28:15.730 I didn't want to have a sort of over toppling problem you know 1:28:15.730,1:28:24.449 Anyway so I came off those and well didn't know what to do really and found Andrew's 1:28:24.449,1:28:26.390 inclined bed therapy and thought I would give it a try. 1:28:26.390,1:28:35.850 My husband made the bed and I can safely say within 2 or 3 days I had no more stomach problems. 1:28:35.850,1:28:44.020 Yeah so I am a great advocate of inclinedbedtherapy.com not only that I find I am more refreshed in 1:28:44.020,1:28:51.239 the morning I sleep better and I get over things quicker, you know illnesses and I am 1:28:51.239,1:28:55.949 less thirsty in the mornings and it's a great mood lifter. 1:28:55.949,1:29:08.840 Brilliant yes. Did you say your husband is trying it? 1:29:08.840,1:29:16.040 Is that David? Yes it is 1:29:16.040,1:29:22.699 Hello David Well yes we are getting around to it we sleep 1:29:22.699,1:29:30.570 in separate beds, Yeah I like to sleep separately, I like to get a good nights sleep. 1:29:30.570,1:29:36.650 But yeah we are working on that David at some point we are going to order the wood when 1:29:36.650,1:29:41.500 we have got some money order some wood at the end of the year and my husband will make 1:29:41.500,1:29:45.400 an inclined bed for himself Excellent 1:29:45.400,1:29:59.230 Thank you for chipping in, very interesting. What were your stomach problems, acid reflux? 1:29:59.230,1:30:05.860 Yes that's right, I mean it is so debilitating all day finding whatever you eat you just 1:30:05.860,1:30:13.940 feel you have got this terrible heart burn and acid reflux and all related problems etc, 1:30:13.940,1:30:20.960 it didn't matter what I did, let's just say that other things have helped too since then, 1:30:20.960,1:30:23.610 but the first thing that helped was the inclined bed therapy 1:30:23.610,1:30:27.230 Right Yeah from there I was able to take things 1:30:27.230,1:30:35.170 further, you know change diet eventually etc but to start off not to have to take the tablet 1:30:35.170,1:30:42.080 and have a natural replacement for that you know was really important to me. I don't like 1:30:42.080,1:30:48.010 taking tablets. Was that zantac, I just hate having to take 1:30:48.010,1:30:52.699 those? Oh yes exactly, I am not a person for taking 1:30:52.699,1:30:57.730 tablets so I really did resent taking anything that could give me side effects so it was 1:30:57.730,1:31:03.060 lovely, really great to have that feeling of ahh I have got some relief with the inclined 1:31:03.060,1:31:09.710 bed therapy and then from then on I could make changes. So I have stayed inclined and 1:31:09.710,1:31:15.300 what I suppose I aught to say to people is to try it and stay on it, don't come off it 1:31:15.300,1:31:20.449 when your symptoms have ceased. When you feel that things have changed, I know a lot of 1:31:20.449,1:31:23.980 people have said oh I tried it and it was really great, but then went back of course 1:31:23.980,1:31:28.100 to sleeping flat. Well I think that is a disaster. Why would they do that 1:31:28.100,1:31:34.380 Well people I suppose sleeping in bed with partners, perhaps there have been problems 1:31:34.380,1:31:37.199 there and. I said there was a couch 1:31:37.199,1:31:44.850 Yeah well that's right but I can understand but you know I suppose that's what I want 1:31:44.850,1:31:49.199 to say really is stay with it if you are going to do inclined bed therapy don't give up after 1:31:49.199,1:31:51.190 a couple of months stay with it. Yeah 1:31:51.190,1:31:57.210 Interesting that you were talking about people who were on it that got away because I can't 1:31:57.210,1:32:02.730 get away, when I went away to my sisters place in Vermont and I had to sleep flat I thought 1:32:02.730,1:32:08.010 that I was going to die in my sleep Yeah, absolutely, you feel suffocated don't 1:32:08.010,1:32:12.989 you. Yes yes 1:32:12.989,1:32:16.989 I also want to tell you something great that happened because I live on a small island 1:32:16.989,1:32:25.969 and there is only 57 of us and 3 people here also sleep inclined. One particular man they 1:32:25.969,1:32:31.040 are all elderly but one of them had a very bad varicose vein in his leg and for years 1:32:31.040,1:32:37.590 he has had this varicose vein. I would say it was in 3 or four days his varicose 1:32:37.590,1:32:41.410 vein disappeared after sleeping inclined. Which is fantastic isn't it 1:32:41.410,1:32:42.910 It is fantastic That's beautiful 1:32:42.910,1:32:49.219 Yeah and he stayed inclined. I say to him are you still inclined? He says Oh yes. he 1:32:49.219,1:32:53.320 he he he And another guy also had a very bad neck problem 1:32:53.320,1:32:56.989 and there has been no therapist that managed to sort it out. 1:32:56.989,1:33:01.219 He was suffering with his neck problem so I thought I would mention it to him and he 1:33:01.219,1:33:07.280 said Oh I will give it a try and again that was within literally within a week. He said 1:33:07.280,1:33:14.050 I don't believe it, what Doctors couldn't fix, sleeping so simply it's fixed. He said 1:33:14.050,1:33:18.449 I am telling everyone I'm telling everyone, i'm driving people mad, I'm telling them ha 1:33:18.449,1:33:22.780 ha ha ha He has become an inclined bed bore like the 1:33:22.780,1:33:26.280 rest of us. Yeah absolutely that's right 1:33:26.280,1:33:31.600 It is amazing some of the immediate benefits a lot of them take a lot longer but my girlfriend 1:33:31.600,1:33:36.360 remarked immediately that my snoring had almost been eliminated. 1:33:36.360,1:33:42.120 Oh Yeah Yeah The snoring is great I told my cousin about that and suddenly her 1:33:42.120,1:33:48.989 and her husband were sleeping in the same bed again now. Because it eliminated his snoring. 1:33:48.989,1:33:53.580 And then I called Andrew and told him about this and he said oh yeah inclined bed therapy 1:33:53.580,1:33:55.540 has saved many marriages. Yes 1:33:55.540,1:33:58.820 ha ha ha ha Fantastic isn't it 1:33:58.820,1:34:03.100 Yes You don't expect it do you? 1:34:03.100,1:34:09.760 Say again David No I didn't expect the snoring to improve 1:34:09.760,1:34:13.860 and then a friend of mine is getting a lot of treatment right now from specialists for 1:34:13.860,1:34:20.350 sleep apnea I had heard through his co worker, so I left him a note saying I have the solution 1:34:20.350,1:34:24.719 for that and it's absolutely free. He never called me. 1:34:24.719,1:34:31.989 It's not the least bit difficult to deal with a mask over your head while you are sleeping. 1:34:31.989,1:34:36.840 Yeah and that's what he is doing right now while he is sleeping, dealing with the mask 1:34:36.840,1:34:40.940 and everything rather than a call to a crazy guy who sleeps at the same tilt that we all 1:34:40.940,1:34:44.500 automatically pick when we go to the beach. Yes 1:34:44.500,1:34:52.739 I know one guy who moved down to the Virginia coast from her because he said I always sleep 1:34:52.739,1:34:56.820 so much better at the beach. I didn't want to break his heart and say guess 1:34:56.820,1:34:58.929 what it isn't the sun that's doing it. Ha ha ha 1:34:58.929,1:35:05.030 Yeah It's the same when you go camping isn't it when you find yourself on a slight incline 1:35:05.030,1:35:08.929 you don't realise how refreshed you feel from it. 1:35:08.929,1:35:19.260 I was just going to say I know other people that report the same thing that you just said. 1:35:19.260,1:35:25.300 And we can do it all right in our own home, Yes for no cost 1:35:25.300,1:35:30.140 Isn't it interesting how resistant that people are to try this though? 1:35:30.140,1:35:34.210 Oh if you wanna lose popularity pretty real quick 1:35:34.210,1:35:38.000 Mention it I have had friends de-friend me on Facebook 1:35:38.000,1:35:39.270 for bringing it up he ha ha ha ha ha 1:35:39.270,1:35:46.460 I am really sorry to say this folks but we have got about 5 more minutes and we may give 1:35:46.460,1:35:54.570 each one of you a minute or so to maybe say your websites and so on and your last parting 1:35:54.570,1:36:01.340 words but I think for me I would prefer you guys to come back again and tell me more of 1:36:01.340,1:36:04.810 your experiences because I don't think we have covered it enough by far. 1:36:04.810,1:36:16.350 It's a long subject but where do you stop, it just goes on and on. 20 years of my life. 1:36:16.350,1:36:23.600 Didn't NASA advertise for volunteers to sleep inclined on their space subject. 1:36:23.600,1:36:33.230 They were offering 7 thousand dollars. Oh NASA, you have got space research as well, 1:36:33.230,1:36:41.500 we covered that in the first part of the show. But yeah they are paying people $17,000 dollars 1:36:41.500,1:36:49.170 to stay in bed for three months and the bed is slanted down head down and feet up. 1:36:49.170,1:36:55.820 But they are studying this because of what happens to astronauts in space because it 1:36:55.820,1:37:01.580 ages 10 times faster when you take gravity away so they come up with a great idea we 1:37:01.580,1:37:08.949 will put people in bed and we will re-create the 10 times ageing process and give them 1:37:08.949,1:37:23.420 17 grand to keep their mouths shut. It has been an amazing adventure and all because 1:37:23.420,1:37:26.500 we tried to understand how water got to the top of a tree. 1:37:26.500,1:37:34.600 Yeah ha ha ha ha Terri do you have any parting words? 1:37:34.600,1:37:40.340 I am just so thrilled that Andrew can share this all with us, he did all the research 1:37:40.340,1:37:45.550 and we get all the benefits. Yeah ha ha He's a nice feller isn't he. 1:37:45.550,1:37:49.390 I think we have all done the research. I wouldn't have been able to do anything if it hadn't 1:37:49.390,1:37:56.260 been for people like Terri and David and Donald and Rubicon and now you Steve, your experimenting 1:37:56.260,1:38:00.469 as well. Yeah well I will show my bit on another occasions 1:38:00.469,1:38:06.650 and will let you know how i get on, I am in the early stages of it, I have problems getting 1:38:06.650,1:38:13.600 into the bed to sleep, but whenever I can get into the bed I am finding that I am sleeping 1:38:13.600,1:38:20.380 really quite solid and my feet the swelling is reduced but of course when I get up then 1:38:20.380,1:38:25.469 it starts filling up my feet again but early days for me I really haven't given that a 1:38:25.469,1:38:29.770 good enough shot yet but I will come back to you and let you know. 1:38:29.770,1:38:36.239 What I would like to say to your listeners is if you do do this is to please keep a journal. 1:38:36.239,1:38:44.880 I have a template on the Htto://inclinedbedtherapy.com Forum and I will be modifying that template 1:38:44.880,1:38:50.960 and putting it under my research tab and you can download it and use this to record changes. 1:38:50.960,1:38:57.920 There is also a document called things to monitor, which I have uploaded to the website, 1:38:57.920,1:39:07.000 it sort of outlines the parameters of the research so highlights some things that you 1:39:07.000,1:39:10.590 can look for that you wouldn't normally be looking for, like half moons on the fingers, 1:39:10.590,1:39:19.469 finger nails growing stronger, smoother, hair growing faster, people who have hair falling 1:39:19.469,1:39:22.630 out, suddenly find that it is no longer falling out. 1:39:22.630,1:39:28.239 Old scar tissue seems to vanish as well, I have a huge scar down my leg from barbed wire 1:39:28.239,1:39:35.719 and that's all filled in nicely it is hardly visible. That groove had been in my leg since 1:39:35.719,1:39:44.280 I was about 18 or 19. Again if you keep a journal and jot down anything 1:39:44.280,1:39:51.610 or record any photograph evidence of varicose veins, photograph evidence of oedema, skin 1:39:51.610,1:39:58.520 conditions such as psoriasis or even make a video diary all of this will help to reach 1:39:58.520,1:40:03.690 many more people. Well I really hope that we can help you to 1:40:03.690,1:40:10.440 do that and get the word out there. I really do think you are on to something and simple 1:40:10.440,1:40:17.860 simple thing like raising your bed six inches I think it remarkable what you have done already 1:40:17.860,1:40:23.760 and I really do think you are onto a good thing and anything we can do to help promote 1:40:23.760,1:40:27.860 you and the inclined bed therapy we shall be trying our best. 1:40:27.860,1:40:32.170 Thank you very much Steve Would you like to give us your website again 1:40:32.170,1:40:36.179 or any relevant information? Yes we have a Facebook account as well which 1:40:36.179,1:40:40.540 is again inclined bed therapy group and a page 1:40:40.540,1:40:45.750 And the website is http://inclinedbedtherapy.com Cool cool 1:40:45.750,1:40:52.280 Well I am reluctant to end the show folks but we have got about four minutes and our 1:40:52.280,1:40:58.239 next host will be here very very shortly. I would like to say a big thanks to the people 1:40:58.239,1:41:07.100 that have come in and shared their own experience. This adds a lot more weight than me or you 1:41:07.100,1:41:12.710 Steve just talking about this. These are real people and I am very proud 1:41:12.710,1:41:16.739 of you helping me thank you very much. You are very welcome 1:41:16.739,1:41:21.100 your very welcome I am so glad that I could be of help 1:41:21.100,1:41:26.409 That thanks comes from me as well I really do appreciate you giving your experiences 1:41:26.409,1:41:30.500 as Andrew said there is nothing like word of mouth. 1:41:30.500,1:41:34.429 This is the first time that I have been able to talk about inclined bed therapy for this 1:41:34.429,1:41:41.210 long without people trying to change the subject Ha ha ha ha ha 1:41:41.210,1:41:46.000 We may well have you back on again I think Andrew was talking about doing a show in a 1:41:46.000,1:41:51.370 few weeks or something like that when we have people my end who are trying inclined bed 1:41:51.370,1:41:56.690 therapy so we will try and work something That will be great yeah 1:41:56.690,1:42:02.870 It needs to be about 4 weeks minimum probably even longer. 1:42:02.870,1:42:06.710 I see Probably even a couple of months before you 1:42:06.710,1:42:10.159 will see the full effects. For example if you wanted to ask somebody 1:42:10.159,1:42:15.929 whether they have had a migraine in two months and how many migraines would they have had 1:42:15.929,1:42:19.620 in those two months before the bed was raised Of course of course 1:42:19.620,1:42:25.140 And how have the kids performed have they stopped wetting the bed and lots of things 1:42:25.140,1:42:30.510 but it does take time, it doesn't, well it does happen over night, but perhaps not one 1:42:30.510,1:42:36.969 night. We will keep a wee eye on it and see what 1:42:36.969,1:42:41.280 we can get moving and I will certainly be enthusiastic about it, 1:42:41.280,1:42:48.350 Down to 3 minutes folks May I say one thing before I go? 1:42:48.350,1:42:51.730 Please do I made a comic for Andrew an inclined bed 1:42:51.730,1:43:00.620 comic to to really bring the message to life, in colour and in pictures with a little Andrew 1:43:00.620,1:43:07.020 Fletcher in there look alike. So if people go on the site, on the inclined bed therapy 1:43:07.020,1:43:13.340 site they will find the comic and it's a nice introduction to his ideas. So it really I 1:43:13.340,1:43:18.400 hope and I am sure it's helped lots of people to get the idea quickly and then they could 1:43:18.400,1:43:20.989 ask questions afterwords. so read the comic as well 1:43:20.989,1:43:22.650 Fantastic I do like your comics 1:43:22.650,1:43:30.110 Your Avalina? Yes he he he 1:43:30.110,1:43:37.090 OK I was puzzled as to who Rubicon was yeah It's my husbands account you see but there 1:43:37.090,1:43:39.159 you go I see I see 1:43:39.159,1:43:46.520 Well thank you very much folks very much appreciate you coming on Awake Radio and It won't be 1:43:46.520,1:43:53.320 that long before your on again giving your experiences and I wish you the best and hope 1:43:53.320,1:44:01.590 you keep good health in what you are doing and Certainly I will report back any good 1:44:01.590,1:44:05.830 health benefits from myself for sure. I would like to say thank you to all of Steve's 1:44:05.830,1:44:11.400 listeners for sticking with us and I hope you have enjoyed the show. 1:44:11.400,1:44:17.460 I am sure they have yeah Well that's it for Granada's workshop for 1:44:17.460,1:44:23.659 this week folks, same time same place next week, health permitting and once again thanking 1:44:23.659,1:44:32.409 Andrew and the guests for appearing this week and until then bye for now. 1:44:32.409,1:44:37.170 Off air guys. 1:44:37.170,1:44:43.750 Thank you very much I really really enjoyed listening to your feedback yeah and it's going 1:44:43.750,1:44:52.550 to make a powerful powerful video and I am sure it is going to attract a lot more people 1:44:52.550,1:44:55.199 with having their personal accounts brilliant 1:44:55.199,1:45:03.260 But Andrew as I said to you just before you come on air if you want to do a regular show, 1:45:03.260,1:45:08.590 you know an hour with one of your people in the forum that may be not too much time for 1:45:08.590,1:45:14.370 you or whatever you would like, it certainly would be provided to you free of charge and 1:45:14.370,1:45:17.270 yeah get the information out there as best you can. 1:45:17.270,1:45:21.710 That sound's excellent. I mean if it only lasts for for maybe 5 or 1:45:21.710,1:45:26.790 six weeks that's ok and not a problem. I will take you up on that Steve 1:45:26.790,1:45:31.510 Well yeah yeah I mean it's it's free of charge. Yes I will take you up on that Steve 1:45:31.510,1:45:35.219 We ask all our hosts to be honourable in their actions and to be respectful in their actions, 1:45:35.219,1:45:40.060 keep the swearing to a minimum and they are free an uncensored 1:45:40.060,1:45:43.370 Yes So that's the policy we can work on 1:45:43.370,1:45:46.480 That sounds ok, That just about describes my own ethics. 1:45:46.480,1:45:53.640 Ha ha ha ha I am prone to swearing if I hit my hand with 1:45:53.640,1:46:00.239 a hammer or something like that. Ok folks, I am sorry I am really having to 1:46:00.239,1:46:05.630 go Ok thanks very much folks and I will speak 1:46:05.630,1:46:08.429 to you soon. Bye mate 1:46:08.429,1:46:10.670 Bye David Bye Donald 1:46:10.670,1:46:11.880 Goodbye Andrew Goodbye mate.