2nd Multiple Sclerosis Inclined Bed Therapy IBT Pilot Study Results

Kids' Baths?,Wednesday 27-Oct-1999 14:39:36,206.214.102.65
writes,Normally when I wake up in the morning I would get out of bed
and experience MS symptoms like bad balance problems and weakness. I
would stagger and sometimes can barely able to stand up. Then last
Sunday morning I woke up with greatly improved balance and more energy.
I was puzzled on how that could happen. Then today I realized that last
Saturday night we were at my parents' house and my mom had given one
of the kids a bath. We came back home and put the kids to bed right
away. Normally the kids take baths in our master bathroom at nights.
Could the kids' baths create humidity in our bedroom? Is humidity
really not good for people with MS? I don't have a dehumidifer
because we live in a hot and dry area.
L.L. ,L.L.,

Re: Kids' Baths?,Tuesday 2-Nov-1999 16:06:22,210.8.232.4 writes,I
started using the angled bed whilst I was living in HK in March 1999.
The results were immediate with improved sight in my left eye better
walking far improved bending in the knee improved stamina etc.
I moved to Australia late April and the progress dissapeared. After
working with Andrew the only thing that was different was the
enviroment. In HK there was constant air conditioning due to the
humidity so I didn't really experience the effects of humidity. I
patiently waited until all my goods came from HK to Australia got out
the dehumidifier and got immediate benefits. I am not as good as in HK
but stamina knee bending have dramatically improved.
Suggest you consider stop exposing yourself to humid enviroments and
get a dehumidifier.
Take Care. John
,john giannopoulos,j...@enternet.com.au

Re: Kids' Baths?,Wednesday 3-Nov-1999 02:13:28,212.1.128.62
writes,Hello
Nice to here from you.
Your observation regarding the kids bath time is spot on! Internal
humidity is a major problem today with on-suite showers and baths it
can only mean more problems for circulation.
Circulation according to the new theory for fluid transport in plants
and animals requires efficient evaporation from the respiratory tract
eyes and the skin as it does with the leaves of trees and plants. If
the humidity is high then water loss reduces because the water cannot
leave the body nor can it leave the tree or plant and visibly remains
on the surface of the skin as sweat.
Living in a high humidity area is undoubtedly the cause of many medical
conditions as anyone who has moved to the coast or a river valley
area will realise. Respiratory problems lethargy aching joints and
muscles sweating arthritis and even neurological conditions are
usually aggravated by increased humidity.
Ironically the old seal free metal framed single glazed windows which
dripped with water and formed a pool on the windowsill was a good
tool for removing moisture from the air inside our homes. This type of
window provided us with an efficient dehumidifier that operated for
free. But now the age of double and triple glazing inserted into warm
plastic frames is upon us. While the sales people boast that those
horrible water soaked metal framed maintenance demanding windows are
a thing of the past they fail to tell us where the water has gone? If
the water is not on the windowsill in the morning it must be in the
air. This is in fact where the problem of high humidity in our
dwellings resides poorly ventilated and artificially warm our homes
become moisture traps if not from the clothes drying on the radiator
or the clothes frame then from the house plants and fish tanks which
ornate our rooms. This should be obvious when one continually waters
the plants and tops up the fish tank regularly. Another consideration
is a home where cooking hot showers and baths are a daily occurrence
particularly with one or two teenagers hogging the bathroom and eating
us out of house and home at every opportunity. Some homes even have
heated swimming pools or trickling water features. All of this water
cannot escape from a modern home that is sealed to perfection it
merely saturates the air. Furthermore the excreted moisture from our
bodies and the bodies of our pets serves to add to the problem. The
worst kind of home for health in my humble opinion is an upside down
house which allows all of the moisture from our daily activities to
flow down the stairs and into our sleeping quarters.
The point to all of this is that even if you are out in the middle of a
desert you could still be at risk from a high humidity problem
perhaps the desert area might be irrigated regularly in order to grow
crops. Common sense tells us that it is unlikely that we would build a
dwelling too far from a water source perhaps a river or an inland
water reserve. This too could significantly increase humidity
particularly at night as the air cools and falls to the lowest areas.
But what does this have to do with a sloping bed I hear you ask?
The theory is that we need to be able to evaporate water from our
bodies and to do this efficiently the air that surrounds us needs to
be dryer than the air we breath out otherwise we simply breath in as
much water as we breath out. The potted plant in your home also needs
to lose moisture in order to thrive and is in direct competition with
you and I as we struggle to evaporate water.
What could be done to improve this problem of progress?
The obvious ones should be to get rid of most of your houseplants and
sell the fish tank. Stop drying washing on the radiators and install a
powerful extractor fan in the kitchen and bathroom in order to get rid
of the massive amount of water that we emit from our daily activities
into the air.
Finally consider purchasing a dehumidifier. These are excellent value
for money and provide us with the means to substantially reduce the
humidity problems. They save you money on your heating bills by drying
the air which then becomes more effectively heated. They reduce the
damage to our clothes and homes caused by mould and fungus. A dryer
home does not support dust mites and if there is no mould or fungus it
must eliminate the spores from such organisms.
But what does this mean for me?
Increase the rate of evaporation and you increase the rate of
concentration in the liquid which the water evaporates from. Because
the residual liquid contains salts and sugars the resulting liquid
must be heavier as a result of the moisture loss.
The heavier liquid must flow down due to the influence of gravity and
this must therefore generate a return flow which becomes a circular
flow and return system or circulation. So simple yet so underestimated
and as yet overlooked. Ostracised by many and absolutely impossible to
discredit!
,Andrew,

Re: Inclined bed,Saturday 30-Oct-1999 21:44:23,205.188.197.47
writes,Billy The bed can be very inexpensive to create. I just used
a conventional frame and separated it from the head board. I used milk
crates but any stack of anything to raise it six inches higher than
the foot. As for sliding down yes..it's a problem. I added an old
headboard to create a footboard! It has worked wonders.
I hope that something can help you with your problem! I will be
praying for you and I hope this little change in your sleeping habits
can give you some relief!
Please e-mail me if you want to chat futher!!
,Terri,tesa6...@aol.com

Re: Inclined bed,Sunday 7-Nov-1999 13:07:46,195.8.81.191 writes,A
reply to Billy
Hello Billy
I read your message about the pain you are in. I dont know how long
you have suffered I had a lot of pain and raising my bed head really
helped in my case the pain stopped very fast but after a couple of
months I started getting nerve regeneration pains they have just about
gone now. Please hang on in there if you have a doctor that wants to
help ask him for REMEDEINE FORTE and if that wont do it ask for
cyclamorph 15. That will for certain I really do know what it is like
don't give in beat it m try not to get negative thoughts think of
all the good times you have had. Don't even think of suicide look at
the sorrow it will bring to all the loved ones you will leave behind.
This is not a lecture I have just about beaten it after two years on
Andrew's raised bed so so can you!! I wish you all the best. there
are a lot of people worse off than us
John ,John Cann,honico...@clara.net

Re: Inclined to sleep inclined,Saturday 30-Oct-1999
21:59:06,205.188.197.36 writes,Ellen
Sleeping on the inclined bed is really very simple and I can't
believe that everyone with MS isn't in their car headed for the
closed lumber yard or hardware store! All you need to do it to raise
the head of the bed up six inches higher than the foot. You can do
this with any means you find easiest. I use 2 milk crates. (I'm all
for free!) If you find sliding down is a problem just attach a
footboard (an old headboard works - something from a garage sale
perhaps?)
I noticed improvement in my MS symptoms the very first night!
Continued improvements happened over several months. I've had 6
months with NO symptoms lasting more than a day or two. All Andrew
asks is that we who use this e-mail him with progress reports.
Such as simple easy thing seems like such a waste when people won't
even bother trying it! It certainly can't hurt the MS and it is
recommended for several other ailments that are common for many people
- like heartburn or snoring.
I hope that you can begin right away and that you have positive
results. Feel free to e-mail me and let me know if it's helping you
but most of all e-mail Andrew Fletcher!!
,Terri,tesa6...@aol.com

Re: Inclined to sleep inclined,Monday 7-Feb-2000
19:20:03,205.188.193.184 writes,To incline my bed I came across an item
in the Miles Kimball catalog. They are meant to raise the entire bed to
increase storage space. I purchased 2 and only used them on the head on
the bed. I wish I knew what they were called. If you get the catalog
you will be able to find them. Hope this helps. ,Lori,Foon...@aol.com
Inclined bed,Wednesday 27-Oct-1999 15:45:22,152.163.207.208 writes,I
here about inclined beds helping with pain. I have unbearable pain so
bad I have comteplated suicide many times. I have been on strong
narcotics for about 5 years when the accident occured. Who makes these
beds and how do you go about buying one? Also can you just raise a
standard bed a few inches? If so looks like you'd slide down the
bed. ,Billy,Bsha...@AOL.COM

Inclined to sleep inclined,Wednesday 27-Oct-1999
21:17:37,209.240.200.72 writes,I have MS and have been reading all the
mssgs. about sleeping inclined. Just exactly how does one do this?
Do you have a special bed - like a hospital bed? Or do you put
something under the head of your bed to raise it..if so how much
higher than the foot should it be? Am I on the right track here or
are you speaking of something else? I have had MS for about 25 years
now and this is something that I've never heard of. Just how is
this supposed to help a person any and all details someone can give
me will be greatly appreciated. I'm already getting excited at the
possibilities!!
Thanks for your help. Ellen ,Ellen Dowdle,rdow...@webtv.net

Possitive Results,Tuesday 2-Nov-1999 15:08:12,209.30.183.42
writes,Positive results with M.S. related problems by sleeping with the
head end 15 cm elevated.
I am a 35 year old woman who has M.S. I have had M.S. since I was 14.
I cannot walk and therefore I use a wheelchair except from that I'm
functioning very well. Since may 99 I have been sleeping in a bed
that is 15 cm raised. The results are quiet positive. The first 2
nights I slept rather light and it was as if the pressure in my head
changed considerably. Within the first week this inconvenience
stopped. I slept better and did not have to go to the bathroom in the
night what I have had to for many years. Furthermore I have these
positive results: a freer breath my neck feels as if it is longer
more sensitivity in my legs warmer thighs more strength in my loin
greater muscle volume in my thighs almost no pain when I have my
period more spasms and moves in my legs but it does not hurt does not
sweat unconfortably at night my sense of touch all over the body is
getting better as time goes by I have more energy and am more
refreshed in my body. Recently I spent 14 days on Crete where I slept
in a normal bed. I had to go to the bathroom every night and felt less
refreshed after each night so it was good to get back home to my
raised bed. After 2-3 nights I did not go to the bathroom at night
again and quickly I got my energy back again and felt refreshed in the
morning. My energy level changes a bit but in general I have got more
energy and wellbeing since I started the raised bed therapy. So I
keep on going with hope and confidence even though there are periods
where I do not feel progress. I regurlarly see a iris analyzer whom I
have given the report on the gravity study she is very excited and
positive to the idea and believes there is something about it. Apart
from that I have worked with different forms of therapy healing
eating ecological vegetarian food and using homeopathic and nature
medicine these supplemental treatments have I used before the raised
bed with good results too and I still use them. If you want to know
more about that see: http:home12.inet.tele.dk/c_kolsen/

i feel good,Saturday 13-Nov-1999 17:26:56,212.252.28.162 writes,i m
sleeping inclined for nearly 15 days. and i feel better. my legs got a
bit stronger. i can walk a bit regular and long. my steps become a bit
orderly. i will sleep inclined forever i think.
see u soon with good news ,sedat,sdereqnetscape.net

newly found you,Thursday 4-Nov-1999 15:37:14,212.252.31.99 writes,i
found this message board and i m very pleased. seeing friends around
with same problem made me happy. since we may share our experiences and
thinks. And we ll inform each other from new developments on MS. thank
u all... and i must say that i started to sleep inclined bad... see u
,sedat,sd...@netscape.net

Re: never have tried this,Monday 22-Nov-1999 23:04:51,205.188.199.196
writes,I'm very sorry you have had a bad personal experience with
Andrew. I have only had e-mail contact with him and found him to be
very encouraging and supportive! It's too bad that your NG isn't
taking his suggestion very seriously.
I have had a similar experience when I have suggested his inclined bed
to my MS friends in the AOL chat room. I am amazed at people who will
poke themselves with chemicals costing thousands of dollars annully
but won't try something simple free and painless! Some argue that
they can't do it with their water bed...others can't be bothered to
find some extra wood or bricks to give it a try. Whatever the excuse
is it's a pity that they won't receive the benefits of at least
trying this!! ,Terri,tharri8...@aol.com

Re: never have tried this,Sunday 26-Dec-1999 19:53:45,205.188.198.174
writes,dear dglenn
how grateful i am that you took the time to post your experience. i
too have felt much sadness about mr. Fletcher's approach if not for
any other reason than that results which are positive should always
speak louder than the inflammatory me-against-the-western-medical-maze
sad song which seems frequently sung by this researcher.
such a shame since the little i've been able to study of the theory
beneath the rhetoric seems provocative. but as was the case with
kevorkian (whose highest population by the way was folks with ms)
feelings about the work should never supercede the work. hence that
very useful time-worn paradigm: the double-blind placebo controlled
study.
now don't get me wrong as someone with this dx i like most others
do plenty of alternative stuff. have to. but what a shame that
zealots may potentially do more harm than good to their causes.
keep the faith and don't throw out the baby-six to eight inches
tall-just because of the bathwater. ,k,

Re: never have tried this,Thursday 30-Dec-1999 11:19:11,209.30.179.47
writes,As I have been hammering on the doors of the people who have
both the power and the funds to conduct a "proper controlled
scientific study since 1994 when I made this discovery. I now feel
qualified to give it the best shot that I have at my disposal and
deliver this free knowledge to the people who need it now and not in
10 or fifteen years time. You are mistaken to consider that a double
blind placebo study is possible. If you have an idea how to convince
fifty percent of the study members that they are sleeping flat when
inclined or sleeping inclined when they are sleeping flat I would
be delighted to hear your ideas.
The only solution would be to have a double cross over when people
revert to and from inclined bed rest in order to determine any
changes. The only problem with this approach is that most people who
have slept inclined for a few months do not relish the idea of
undoing their progress in the name of science.
I had to look up zealots to find the definition as I was unsure but
I can live with being called a Zealot it pales into insignificance
with shouts of Liar con man snake eyed sales prick idiot moron
and the devil. The thing that I find fascinating about historical
discoveries is that they were all met with the same abuse and
taunts. No matter how much logic and evidence is put before blind
contempt prior to investigation. No matter how much effort and
personal investment time and energy one pours into something which
one believes to be true and pure there will always be a voice in
the crowd that defies reason. Perhaps this is why Individuals have
to become stronger when faced with such odds.
It really would be a crime a shame and a disaster for me to abandon
this genuine attempt to help people with many illnesses. Just ask
yourself this. If you were in my shoes and faced with so much
hostility would you be any different in your approach to be heard.
I agree that the "Proper Channels" should be the way to go for
everyone with a new discovery. But again history tells a different
story. There is an excellent book by Richard Milton titled: Forbidden
Science Exposing the secrets of Surprised research. published by
FOURTH Estate Limited. ISBN 1-85702-302-1. If I could be so bold as
to ask you to obtain a copy from your library or book store in order
to understand exactly what I have been up against for these last five
years. Perhaps then you might not feel so sad.
I am grateful to you for affording me the opportunity to respond to
your message by airing your views on our message board. I hope you
will find time to visit this board again from time to time to see
how things are moving along for people who have judged the logic of
my scribbling for themselves and acted accordingly.
Please feel free to sleep inclined and see if you like it. Perhaps
you might also post your observations here in a few months time
'Nothing is too wonderful to be true if it be consistent with the
laws of nature'. Michael Faraday
Message Board Title: "INCLINED TO SLEEP INCLINED"
www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb405491
Andrew ,Andrew,

Re: never have tried this,Saturday 5-Feb-2000 05:51:48,62.6.125.38
writes,Hello again Glen
I see your message is still on display you are probably doing more for
the raised bed than all the other messages as soon as you wish to try
to ease your problem all you have to do is try it. There is a motto
(Who dares wins) and if you don't dare you will never win!
I wish you well.
John ,John,

Re: never have tried this,Sunday 6-Feb-2000 08:15:09,205.188.197.39
writes,You sound so angry. All Andrew is asking is that we incline our
beds and tell him the results. It's better than the medical world
saying take this shot feel lousy and maybe your ms will progress
slowly. I am doing all I can to overcome MS. The inclined bed is
helping me. It took away pain and unsteadiness in the morning. It is
helping with the bladder over the night. My husband is not snoring and
more rested than ever. My kids love the inclined bed and are begging
for one. Good luck with your MS. Lori ,Lori,Foon...@aol.com

never have tried this,Monday 15-Nov-1999 03:13:50,152.163.207.64
writes,I doubt this message will stay on the message board long. I
have MS and read alt.support.mult-sclerosis every day. It's not that
I don't believe that there is a very small chance that this would
work anything is possible. I feel that this message board should have
at least 1 message on it so that all will know that Andrew Fletcher
continues to I guess the best word for it is harrass our NG. He
comes around every couple of months he's asked many times to leave
that we are not interested. Finally he leaves then all of a sudden
he's back. Some of his post to the MSers on our NG are bordering on
harrassment. From my observations I would say that more than ¾ of the
readers would rather he leave and never come back. He is often told
this but it seems to fall on deaf ears. I am happy to hear that this
works for some of you but with the attitude Andrew Fletcher has I
wouldn't try it simply because of the way he has come across to us.
I wouldn't trust the word of anyone with the people skills Andrew
has. He may sound caring and loving here but he is by far a different
person when on our NG. I honestly think he continues to come around us
for no other reason than to start flame wars. His presence causes
stress for some of us and he should know that stress is bad for MS.
Apparently by knowingly causing stress he could care less about our
health. If he really did care he would leave us alone. ,dglenn,

Re: never have tried this,Wednesday 17-Nov-1999 15:51:32,209.30.178.154
writes,I have been in this study since Feb 99. I am secondary
progressive and in a chair. I am so sorry you would not even
consider this study! I use to get up 3-4 times a night to go to the
bathroom. Now I get up once if at all. I also use to take 8
different medications daily. I take 3 now. My energy level has
returned I no longter take naps during the day. I have never slept
better in my life! Prior to two moths ago I could not move my left
leg or foot. I do now. It is not complete movement but more than I
have been able to in years.
Having been diagnosed twenty three years with M.S. I have a long way
to go but am greatful to get back what I have.
I don't know Andrew personally. Our only contact has been through
his study that I came across on the internet.
What did all this cost me? Nothing!!! I am very pleased to be part of
his study and wish him continued success!
,cheryl,clin...@flash.net

Re: never have tried this,Friday 19-Nov-1999 15:34:22,212.140.157.126
writes,dglen
I really am sorry and sad to read your message you really do seem to
have got yourself wound up. Andrew is not trying to force anyone to
make life easier and more comfortable. It has certainly worked for me
but mine was only a spinal injury.
I hope your message does stay on the board for a long time as I am
sure you will get many replies.
Whether you try this method or not I wish you all the best but if you
do not try it you will never know if it would have helped you or not.
John

Re: Today is a good day! ,Monday 22-Nov-1999 23:09:52,205.188.199.196
writes,Congratulations!!
It's about time you get the recognition you deserve. My husband and
I thank you daily for what you have done to improve the quality of
mylife since my MS diagnosis. In the 8 months I have been doing this
the only exacerbation I have had was self-induced (I overdid some
exercise) and it is going away in weeks vs. months as it has in the
past.
It's time for the medical community to take note of what you have
done for us. (When was the last time they changed someone's life for
the better - without payment?)
Thank you and congratulations again! ,Terri,tharri8...@aol.com