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2 years 5 days ago #811 by Ozone
Okay..makes sense. What bothers me are the stories of people with chronic issues that went after IBt, only to have them return within days of sleeping flat. Something not okay about that. Better immune system means it should remove certain issues for good. But then like I say nowadays it's a hard world out there. About to return home. Still detoxing almost 2 months later...still have itchy bits on inside of elbows and behind knees...' Allergy' areas. Will address my liver health when I get back home. Been taking strong anti parasite herbs whilst in the U.S. And have a lingering fluey feel that I know as a classic detox reaction. All in all, I still feel my body is on the up rather than the down ...where I was going a couple of months back. My symptoms point to a mild hepatic stone blockage in the liver.

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2 years 5 days ago #812 by Andrew
In the case of multiple sclerosis, what was reported was a return of symptoms including dropped foot, neuropathic pain, visual disturbances indicative of a relapse. This is interesting in itself because it suggests that the supposedly irreversible damage can be switched on and off. This was also reported at high altitude on top of mountains where people with ms reported being able to walk normally and feeling euphoric. 7,000 feet above sea level, though lower altitudes were also reported as beneficial. Ironically high pressure and high oxygen is being administered to ms patients. About 15 years ago I suggested they move to low pressure and lower oxygen to replicate the conditions at high altitude.

It makes sense to me that even a few nights on a flat bed can bring it home to people just how effective IBT is. Believe me over the years we have experienced it enough. This recent cold / flu invasion is just unfortunate.

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2 years 5 days ago #813 by Ozone
Quite interesting that actually. It would appear that once we are ill the disease somehow remains in our bodies...even if it's 'cured'. Or else we haven't found all the disease causers...because theoretically once removed the disease should vanish. There are still many people sleeping flat without MS. I always humbly admit that we know very little about life. But then...too much philosophy doesn't take us anywhere either....if IBT can make people live more comfortably we should all be doing it...the rest will come later. Have a back scoliosis issue patient also inclined...70 year old female...also has sciatica. Second month also in pain on and off...she even wanted to stop the inclining. ..but she is keeping at it as she trusts me. Somehow I can tell she is improving though...like your MS examples.
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2 years 1 day ago #815 by Ozone
Back home recovering from jet lag. Must say am functioning quite normally despite the time zones...usually I would be dysfunctional for three days at least. Also good progress yet again from the inclined sleeping....hard to put into words...feel like a breakthrough of some sort. Eyesight, skin, digestion, everything feels better yet again. I feel that the fascia pulling that IBT does is its most powerful healing...yet it's most perilous, I.e. This is the bit that can alter ones emotional state and cause all sorts of issues, including one running away from the therapy. I believe I am getting past that stage now....almost two months. Should be a steep uphill from now. Okay...will focus on my patients now..re..HIV-AIDS research. Let's really see what this thing can do!!!

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2 years 1 day ago #816 by Andrew
Jet lag alone should warrant a study, funded by long haul flight companies. Then there is the problem with people falling asleep in the cockpit or in the driving seat of a vehicle. I wrote to a few companies many years ago to ask if it could be looked into. Even went to Jaguar cars and contacted a doctor at Porsche who seemed interested but nothing went further. Richard Branson I thought would be open to new discoveries but probably didn't get past the office filter guards :)

Your right about the fight or flight reaction, it comes and goes from time to time :)

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1 year 11 months ago #823 by Ozone
The sciatica patient reports too much pain during sleep. Went back to 2 inches incline. Says there is still pain. Sometimes we need that little determination to punch through. On another level....imagine all that research that has been done on high blood pressure, on spinal stuff, on skin issues, veins, etc etc....decades and billions of dollars....then here comes inclined bed therapy...making it all obsolete. Heck, even I would be terrified if I was one of those people. My point is ...it isn't just about the money...it's also a more primeval thing.

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #824 by Andrew
RE pain: This is a normal reaction to realignment of the spine and opening of the nervous system It happens in spine injury, spinal cord injury and multiple sclerosis. Here is an article titled worse before better that will help your friend to understand what is happening.

Worse before better
There is an initial adjustment period within the first month. This can cause backache and a stiff neck. Also muscles may tighten and ache as if you have been working out.

When a person with a neurological condition like multiple sclerosis or spinal cord injury is experiencing an increase in pain, the person could perceive that an initial worsening is occurring. However, if a nerve pathway is to become functional it has to carry bad messages as well as good messages to and from the brain. For example: Personally, I experienced pain in two areas of my mouth and a visit to the dentist confirmed that there were two cavities below the gum line, which had been there for several years. I asked why I had not experienced pain before from them and he replied that the nerves in the teeth often cease to function and this is why people with severely damaged teeth experience little to no discomfort. He also pointed out that when we age our taste and smell senses can become less effective due to the same degenerative processes.

During the pilot study, some people found that food began to taste better than before they began the study. For some, this meant an increase in eating habits and lead to an inevitable weight increase.

If we are truly seeing the reversal of neurological conditions, one should expect some pain before a gain. It might be worth considering that one could go back through MS by way of a reverse of its onset, which could mean experiencing both positive and negative symptoms, which have not been experienced for several years.

The pilot study showed this to be the case and many people experienced increased pain and /or spasm, tingling, pins and needles, hypersensitivity, burning and even visual disturbances, prior to regaining either a function or an increase in sensitivity.
"This was also the case with complete spinal cord injury, which to all accounts should not be possible. Four months, appears to be the time it takes for nerves to begin to respond in SCI's and CP MS. I see no reason why ALS should not follow this pattern.

Unexpected weight gain.

Several of us, including myself, found that we gained around fourteen pounds over several years, but with a big difference to normal weight gain, our clothes fitted better and even became loose, which meant we had increased in weight but decreased in size. The only reasonable answer is that the extra weight must have been an increase in fluid, bone and muscle density. This appears to be backed up by experiences while swimming and one complete recovery by a lady with osteoporosis of the spine.

Another consideration is that people seldom complain about feeling well and usually realise on reflection that something has improved. However if an increase in pain comes along, then all focus is usually on the pain, which should pass within a short period.

Some people sleeping on an incline, during the pilot study experienced relapses, but there were notable differences, by way of a reduction of severity and duration. It was also noted that previous relapses resulted in a net loss, whereas inclined relapses showed no net loss of either function or sensitivity.

We are winning this battle! But please send in those vital reports, the war has only just begun!

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1 year 11 months ago #825 by Ozone
Makes sense...thanks. My experience with similar issues was with Herxheimer reactions to infections....people get a bit worse initially. You are correct also about reporting....this one used to really cook my noodles. They would deny progress that was even visible to me, but be very quick with complaining about any perceived deterioration. It just about made me stop seeing patients for good. I only take special cases now. After I studied Reich and emotional plague it made sense though. Our emotions are embedded in our physiology..anything that shakes that physiology brings out those emotions...and there isn't anything to humans as frightening as bringing out their deep emotions. It's the very depths of hell. This can be misinterpreted as avoiding a cure ..or Feuds deathwish. In reality it's just embedded fear. Presently I stick to my current career and only go back to naturopathy for academic reasons. The sciatica patient is afraid of surgery ....has used painkillers all her life...but now feels terrified when real progress is made. Will go back to her in a month or so and explain it all again better and she can choose her future.

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1 year 11 months ago #836 by Ozone
Just got another patient onto inclined bed. Has cancer in the foot that's been operated on successfully they say...has been gradually deteriorating though..general health. Might be a bit of AIDS there as well..haven't asked him. We'll see. Plan is to move into a small village and get quite a few AiDS patints there...the city is too modern and complicated for a start trial. Personally doing quite well...noticed my urinalysis has the densest urine on the scale!!

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1 year 11 months ago - 1 year 11 months ago #837 by Andrew
Awesome, I look forward to reading your posts, it is very exciting reading. A small village is exactly what I had in mind all those years ago and did my damnedest to get people on board but alas unless your there it is very difficult to communicate to people who probably don't have a good grasp of technical words spoken and written in English. Let's do this.
Thanks for the urinalysis results which back up our own readings this is again great information.
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1 year 11 months ago #838 by sophie
We've just raised our bed 5 days ago, (currently about 4.5 degrees so far). It's a wooden frame king size double - we used 2 axle stands at the head end supporting the bar at third points in between the legs, so the bed looks like it is floating! And there's wooden chocks under the central middle legs, and little wedges at the foot end. It's very solid.

Before we started, I had very sore muscles (lower back/upper legs, etc - mostly from cycling, and an old back injury), and am hoping IBT will help. Definitely getting worse first, though, so i'll keep going. I do notice feeling a bit more refreshed in the morning and lungs a little clearer too. On another matter, I've had two instances of people saying that doctors recommend inclined bed for acid reflux - a friend was advised to do this by his doctor. Another friend - a consultant anaesthetist - said "oh yes, that's good for acid reflux" when I mentioned IBT, but had not heard of it for other things. Perhaps you were aware of that?
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1 year 11 months ago #839 by Andrew
Hi Sophie, great that you have found us. The axle stands sounds a great idea. I have some small ones under car on drive right now and I can see how these would help on even the heaviest of beds. If you could take a couple of photo's and send to me at andrew at inclinedbedtherapy.com I can upload as yet another method of tilting a bed.

There is a settling in period which can be two weeks or longer depending on medical condition and general health but you should begin to feel more improvements after this.
Yes inclining a bed for various reasons is not a new thing, it's been around for 5k years to my knowledge.
It is advised by the medical profession for respiratory conditions, heart conditions, hiatus hernia, gerd / gord "gastro-oesophageal reflux disease and I suspect many more conditions have been added recently :) www.medscape.com/viewarticle/765033_4

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1 year 11 months ago #840 by Ozone
I also have a work colleague who told me that years ago a South African doctor advised him to put two bricks under the head of his bed for GERD and ulcers. Says after a few months he stopped doing it...but didn't really know why he stopped. Precision of how much incline we need is also not done ...then it would appear that doctors that know about this are not aware that it would benefit EVERYONE...not just their GERD patients. That's the difference. Here we are pushing a civilization changing thing. Good luck Sophie..keep at it.

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1 year 11 months ago #843 by Ozone
Typical feedback pattern; the cancer patient has parotid lymph nodes swollen and elsewhere...in my books chronic infection. Usually syphillis and other stuff. Lyme maybe. Anyway...after agreeing he would give me feedback next morning he goes quiet...so I call to pry it out of him. Oh...slept better than he has in years!! Somehow just forgot to let me know. 2 days later he sends a message....his lymph node hasn't gone yet. Interesting how they never question the usual doctors...like for example why chemo can take two years. We alternative guys get questioned immediately. I have known this guy for years..he is in his forties. Explained that we need 4 to 6 months. Oh..okay...he doesn't fully understand. This is typical of AiDs patients here...there is a slight almost dementia that I observe...it's usually from the drugs. Now he wants to try MMS....wants his cure in a week it seems.
Just wanted to mention how close quarter feedback with patients goes. My conventional doctor friends are also fascinated when I recount stories to them...they never follow their patients up except when they meet again. The moral of the story is illness is complex no matter how you look at it. But it can be simplified. I have moved people's beds two meters out of a geopathic stress zone and it has changed their lives totally..sleep, illness, dreams, everything. Just that one simple act. Moving the bed. Then usually they 'panic' and avoid me on the street and don't discuss it anymore. Go figure. That's the real illness of humanity. Hope this one stays inclined...he can help me get a dozen AiDs patients to try inclined therapy on...in his village.

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1 year 11 months ago #845 by Ozone
Had a talk with the cancer guy...he has agreed to locate near death AIDS patients..there are many dying silently in their homes. Also convinced him to stay inclined and relax. His skin already looks better after a couple of days. I am tempted to take on dialysis patients as well actually....there are hundreds here. The dialysis centers make millions from the medical insurances. Most go once or twice a week...I know one guy that gets on a bus for 400 km to have his weekly dialysis.
On myself I am now at a very subtle stage of observation. The incline has pushed my circulation to the point where old subtle injuries and issues are coming to the fore. It suddenly occurs to me that on incline almost everything will 'work' again. It also occurs to me that on incline we can avoid most of the usual causes of illness...making it the simplest most powerful healing modality I have ever encountered...And trust me I have experienced and carried out and researched quite a bit. I even built my own zappers in the day...hundreds. My other ex nurse friend is sing benefit after benefit...the latest is her kidneys suddenly dumping excess minerals...she had kidney stone issues when she was younger. We just have to admit that Andrew has found one of the most critical things here.
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