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Sleeping Inclined To Restore and Support Your Health For Free. Discussion.

increased salts in urine--why is this good?

1 year 4 months ago #1259 by Kuma
Hi Andrew,
I finally got to see the whole video (I have young children so 20 minutes seems like an eternity). I'm really happy to see the last part of this in action--it is very convincing to me. Could I suggest that you break this up into 3 different videos? There seem to be 3 different experiments here, which would all be of interest to others for different reasons. Thank you!

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1 year 4 months ago #1260 by Kuma
Dear Paul and Ozone,
Thank you for your replies--I like the comments about Hulda Clark's work. Very interesting ideas! I have continued with the incline and might be doing a little better with it. (hard to say because my son has the flu and wakes me every hour or so for the last 2 nights). I noticed that it's a bit easier to fall back to sleep after wakings, and this is an improvement after being hyper-alert during wakings. If this is consistent, then it will be more bearable to stick with it for a month to see if there are any further benefits.
What's interesting is that I started to get a fever yesterday--got up to 100, then dropped to 99 within a few hours, and has not progressed at all since then. Of course I'm doing other things like buteyko breathing and homeopathy and other supplements, so it's hard to say what might be helping most. But I'm really happy not to be as sick as my son. I inclined his bed to help him get better faster, but so far no luck for him.
Thanks for all your replies.
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1 year 4 months ago #1261 by Andrew
I suspect the uptake of salts from the diet is improved by IBT. We know from Astronauts that medications are increased because of poor uptake, and this must apply to head down tilt and I suspect flat bedrest too. So it is plausible that medications can increase potency, possibly even inducing OD symptoms. This was born out with leva dopamine (Ldopa) in the Parkinson's disease patient, who had medication reduced to 1/4 dose to decrease signs of OD and it worked. Not that I am saying people should adjust medications without discussing it with their doctor or consultant.

Paul, will try to set up the experiment and film it as per your instructions.

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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #1262 by Andrew
Hi Kuma,

Glad you found the video interesting. The Youtbe video can be started at any point in a link.

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1 year 4 months ago #1263 by Ozone
I think Andrew is on point. Increased mineral uptake during IBT, in addition to many other benefits, would change the whole thing with urine salts. We have to always keep in mind that even the blood markers that are considered normal, might have to be adjusted for IBT. What we have taken as normal sleeping flat, is not optimal. There are so many things that change when switching to IBT that I fear we may never really know the full picture. One has to use ones intuition and forge ahead. Someone I put on IBT last year that had cancer just died, but he ended up in hospital sleeping flat. Another sciatica patient of mine has returned to flat sleep, citing unbearable pain when inclined. But many are continuing and say they cannot sleep flat anymore, including one that couldn't conceive, only to be pregnant 3 months into IBT. An AIDS patient I inclined last year is doing relatively well. The hardest thing for IBT seems to be our own anxieties and doubts.
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1 year 4 months ago #1264 by Andrew
Re cancer patient passing, very sad news indeed, sorry IBT alone couldn't stop it. My Father died from advanced pancreatic cancer, and although he lived 8 months longer than predicted by doctors, I knew then that he would have to make some serious dietary changes based upon raw organic vegetables juiced. But alas he had shut down on receiving advice from anyone by this time. Dad never had chemo or radio therapy and never took any medication, not so much as a paracetamol except for metoformin for diabetes, which I am certain caused his cancer. Dad was never a diabetic and his Doctor gave him this drug? I begged and nagged him to throw them in the bin. He had the classic yellowing of the skin and eyes, before he was diagnosed and I have seen this on others who take same drug. One 82 year old was exhibiting all the symptoms that Dad had, yellow skin, yellow eyes, bloated stomach, and fortunately listened and changed to insulin for his diabetes. Within a month or so, all signs of liver failure had vanished. He is now only taking 6 units of insulin and sometimes none at all.

Could your sciatica patient have required correction by a chiropractor? Could raising the bed slighly lower to begin with have eased the transition to IBT?

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1 year 4 months ago #1265 by Andrew

Ozone wrote: I including one that couldn't conceive, only to be pregnant 3 months into IBT. An AIDS patient I inclined last year is doing relatively well. The hardest thing for IBT seems to be our own anxieties and doubts.


First of all, thank you for confirming the fertility case and conception due to IBT. This is indeed fantastic news and one that requires a full study, which the results would speak volumes about gravity and the reproductive cycle.

How is your aids patient? Any more news would be greatly appreciated.

PS have emailed you a book I scanned.

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1 year 4 months ago #1266 by Ozone
Received book thanks...looks like an old classic. A lot of it is stuff the alternative medicine scene uses as approaches nowadays. AIDS patient stops and starts allopathic meds....which in my opinion is her biggest challenge. Liver and kidneys are weak because of medications....her kidney blood test showed imminent kidney failure recently. Diatomaceous earth and Lugols and ozone water seemed to get her some ground back. At the moment I have stopped seeing patients though, and only keep in touch with some old one, although just met with an old friend that's diabetic and he needs help. Phew.
I still get thoracic back ache after 9 months of IBT and 5 chiro adjustments...old injuries from the military. But I reckon I am on the mend big time. The biggest challenge in any health situation is our emotional and mental belief system though.

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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #1267 by Kuma

Ozone wrote: Someone I put on IBT last year that had cancer just died, but he ended up in hospital sleeping flat. Another sciatica patient of mine has returned to flat sleep, citing unbearable pain when inclined. But many are continuing and say they cannot sleep flat anymore, including one that couldn't conceive, only to be pregnant 3 months into IBT. An AIDS patient I inclined last year is doing relatively well. The hardest thing for IBT seems to be our own anxieties and doubts.


Would you share a little about yourself--are you a doctor or practitioner? What brought you to IBT, how often do you prescribe it, and what kinds of results (beyond what is already shared her) do you see in general? Thank you!

Edit--sorry--I see that you are discontinuing with patients now, so maybe these questions are a mute point. Anything you can share will be of interest to me.

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1 year 4 months ago #1268 by Kuma

Andrew wrote: Hi Kuma,

Glad you found the video interesting. The Youtbe video can be started at any point in a link.


Hi Andrew, I'm sorry that I'm probably coming across like an arrogant know-it-all, without much appreciation for the many years you have invested in this. So please let me back up and say THANK YOU for making this information available, along with lots of anecdotal evidence. For treatments like this (that are not lucrative), probably the anecdotal evidence is most important. I see that this is a labor of love, and I hope that you are getting due credit.
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1 year 4 months ago #1270 by Andrew
Donald Flumerfelt from Facebook: I may know of a third case but I never bothered to make the connection. A woman I know started menstruating again after sleeping IBT for a year or so, then got pregnant months later. Her baby was due last month. Need to check the facts with her. Wow.

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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #1271 by Andrew
Kuma, I never thought that for a minute. In fact you have opened up yet another avenue of research with the sleep app.

One caveat I would like to add is that all of those settings on your app have been compiled from data based upon a flat bed and how sleeping flat affects your body and sleep pattern

As you are pointing out, it is remarkable how different sleeping inclined really is. I remember back to when my bed was inclined and how it felt really strange and how my sleep cycle became very light, yet I had more energy throughout the day and then later how we noticed that our immune system helped us to avoid most of the viruses, coughs and infections going around. Yet we would still have initial symptoms but even with full blown flu, we were able to continue regardless and symptoms often vanished as quick as they came. Then we had a girl who had scarlatina and was told it would be up to 6 weeks before her tight swollen legs would recover and that she would have residual tissue damage. Within a few days, certainly less than a week, her legs recovered and the rash vanished without any residual damage to her skin.

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1 year 4 months ago #1272 by Paul
Good point Andrew. Before jumping to conclusions based on an application its probably best to first see how the app really works and thats vital to know. Ozone and Andrew have already mentioned numerous times how much of the established known medical theories, studies and general data is based only on sleeping horizontally, so I doubt the phone app will be any different.

Its interesting what you point out though Kuma, and it reminds me somewhat of people like yogis who "sleep" only via several meditation periods throughout the day, and yet they apparently have brilliant health and energy levels without any normal sleep...adrenaline increase during sleep? Maybe something in that as kidney function definitely improves with IBT...

Have to keep it realistic too though and wait a few weeks for your body to adjust before jumping to conclusions, and don't forget too that IBT is also a therapy, and like many therapies things will probably get worse temporarily before getting better.

Great to hear your chest and eye improvements via chiro too.

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1 year 4 months ago #1273 by Ozone
I am afraid you are going to have to checkout my old posts on that one Kuma....it's a long story. I have 13 years in the alternative health field. Might I add that I have had patients that corrected their lack of conception by simply correcting geopathic stress....and EMF issues, one even conceived after I gave her orgonite. Feng shui can also have that effect, as it alters the way one sees ones life. With the Clark protocol we had quite a bit of pregnancies, even accidental, after just clearing people of heavy metals and cleansing their organs. So conception cannot be used as isolated criteria for research. No doubt IBT enhances the functioning of the body due to multiple effects...then of course things like pregnancies occur. One must note however that the body had rejected conception for a valid reason....and some get unhealthy children because they haven't addressed enough issues.
The exciting thing about IBT of course is its simplicity and cheapness. Which is probably also a hindrance in some ways. But as of illness and why we are sick etc, after intensive research, there are many many factors, and each time people discover one or two secrets they unfortunately believe they have found the answer to it all. Can't blame them though...it's hard out there..many people are sick. Good luck.
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1 year 4 months ago #1274 by Kuma
Thank you so much for saying a little bit, and I will search through old posts now that your experience has piqued my interest.

For myself, I absolutely adore it when I find an absolutely simple health-promoting protocol. The more primitive, the more I connect with it. Some of my favorites, which came from researching the scientific perspective (not a natural "hippy" tendency), are: sunlight, earthing, optimal breathing (by Buteyko), water, minerals, g-force exercise (love my little trampoline!), meditation, and of course non-toxic eating and living. I find it very satisfying that most hours of my day (on my bed) now include earthing, gravity (IBT), and optimal breathing (nasal breathing all night).

I've been intrigued by Hulda Clark's perspective several different times in my life, trying some of her (also simple) protocols.

I have a feeling there are SO many more super-basic health protocols, and I can't wait to discover all the ones I haven't found yet!

Thanks again for your reply.

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